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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's taking away a legal right (i'm not talking about the natural rights theory) from women, something feminism generally isn't for.

    Sure it's possible to be a pro-life feminist, but the reason why it's a rare identification is clear.
    Making murder illegal is NOT taking away a legal right. There is no way around that side of the argument. Slavery was legal, but emancipation wasn't "taking away a legal right" of slaveholders. It was acknowledging a gigantic failure in the previous laws. They didn't HAVE a right to own people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Making murder illegal is NOT taking away a legal right.
    Of course. Legally, abortion doesn't = murder, does it?

    Right now there is a legal right to abort, pro-lifers want to take that legal right away. Simple logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Of course. Legally, abortion doesn't = murder, does it?

    Right now there is a legal right to abort, pro-lifers want to take that legal right away. Simple logic.
    No, that doesn't work. If abortion is murder (and that is what these people believe) and you do not have the right to murder, then there is no right to have an abortion. That is the whole point. The right either exists or does not. It is not dependent upon the law. That is the reverse. You make the law because of the right (or lack thereof). Legality or illegality doesn't determine whether or not something is a right.
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    To be on topic a bit...

    This story has been circulating the internet for the past couple days, I'll find better links later (I know DailyKos ran it earlier, and some other less biased sites had it as well): OfficialWire: Palin Covers For Daughter's Love-Child

    Considering this news, it seems even more likely...
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    To be on topic a bit...

    This story has been circulating the internet for the past couple days, I'll find better links later (I know DailyKos ran it earlier, and some other less biased sites had it as well): OfficialWire: Palin Covers For Daughter's Love-Child

    Considering this news, it seems even more likely...
    So you think she's pregnant AGAIN? Or that she already had the baby and they're pretending she's pregnant now? Will they somehow produce a baby in 4 months or will she have a mysterious miscarriage? The plot thickens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    To be on topic a bit...

    This story has been circulating the internet for the past couple days, I'll find better links later (I know DailyKos ran it earlier, and some other less biased sites had it as well): OfficialWire: Palin Covers For Daughter's Love-Child

    Considering this news, it seems even more likely...
    I don't see how, given the timeline and the fact that the infant has DS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Of course. Legally, abortion doesn't = murder, does it?

    Right now there is a legal right to abort, pro-lifers want to take that legal right away. Simple logic.
    Gotta agree with p_m. Your logic only works if everybody agreed abortion doesn't equal murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carebear View Post
    Gotta agree with p_m. Your logic only works if everybody agreed abortion doesn't equal murder.
    Personally, I don't believe abortion is murder, and, in terms of ethics, I think it should be an option up until the point at which the fetus is viable outside the womb. For me, when that would be is up to doctors to decide. Still, if you are operating under the logic of "life begins at conception/implantation," and that abortion = murder, then you can't possibly have a right to do it. I think they are wrong, but their position isn't automatically illogical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Personally, I don't believe abortion is murder, and, in terms of ethics, I think it should be an option up until the point at which the fetus is viable outside the womb. For me, when that would be is up to doctors to decide. Still, if you are operating under the logic of "life begins at conception/implantation," and that abortion = murder, then you can't possibly have a right to do it. I think they are wrong, but their position isn't automatically illogical.
    Exactly. I don't necessarily agree with it but it would be INconsistent if they believed abortion to be murder BUT thought women should have the right to do it. Objectively speaking, it has internal consistency.

    Unless they make exceptions for rape or incest, but that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.
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