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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    You can't see how believing in women's autonomy and rights would clash with the belief that abortion is wrong?
    Those ideas only "clash" because they aren't common. There is nothing cognitively dissonant about them. This is just an issue for which emotion crowds out rationality, on BOTH sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Those ideas only "clash" because they aren't common. There is nothing cognitively dissonant about them. This is just an issue for which emotion crowds out rationality, on BOTH sides.
    Making abortion illegal would restrict women's rights, in direct contrast with feminism.

    It would be taking what is now a legal right, and doing away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    You can't see how believing in women's autonomy and rights would clash with the belief that abortion is wrong?
    I don't, no. I probably am one, actually. A pro-life feminist could focus on solving the social problems that lead to abortion being an attractive choice for a woman, rather than on the right to have an abortion. I'm not in favor of re-outlawing abortion but I do think it's a regretful reality and one I'd like to see much, much more rare or non-existent. I also don't think it's necessary to shame or punish women for seeking it out--we just need to fix the reasons they seek it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Making abortion illegal would restrict women's rights, in direct contrast with feminism.

    It would be taking what is now a legal right, and doing away with it.
    Feminists don't necessarily want women to have the right to do things they consider wrong. A pro-life feminist likely that no one male OR female should have the right to murder another human being, any more than they should have the right to discriminate against a woman in the workplace.

    Again, I'm not in favor of outlawing abortion (mainly because it wouldn't go away even if we did), but I don't disagree with the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Feminists don't necessarily want women to have the right to do things they consider wrong. A pro-life feminist likely that no one male OR female should have the right to murder another human being, any more than they should have the right to discriminate against a woman in the workplace.

    Again, I'm not in favor of outlawing abortion (mainly because it wouldn't go away even if we did), but I don't disagree with the position.
    Everyone thinks abortion is a sad event, seems you are essentially pro-choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Everyone thinks abortion is a sad event, seems you are essentially pro-choice.
    Well, gee, thanks for informing me of my own position. LOL

    And no, not everybody thinks abortion is a sad event. I'm not really against it because I think it's "sad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Making abortion illegal would restrict women's rights, in direct contrast with feminism.

    It would be taking what is now a legal right, and doing away with it.
    That doesn't hold water. If you honestly believe that abortion is murder, then there IS no right to do it. You have to be able to understand that line of reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    That doesn't hold water. If you honestly believe that abortion is murder, then there IS no right to do it. You have to be able to understand that line of reasoning.
    It's taking away a legal right (i'm not talking about the natural rights theory) from women, something feminism generally isn't for.

    Sure it's possible to be a pro-life feminist, but the reason why it's a rare identification is clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Well, gee, thanks for informing me of my own position. LOL

    And no, not everybody thinks abortion is a sad event. I'm not really against it because I think it's "sad."
    If you are pro-letting women choose, you are pro-choice. You wouldn't deny that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    If you are pro-letting women choose, you are pro-choice. You wouldn't deny that right?
    I don't think it's a black and white issue and I'm uncomfortable with the attempts by both extremes to make it so. So I don't call myself either one.
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