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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    Fairness indeed is overrated, but thinking about it from a social architectural standpoint, the rich can't stay rich when everyone else is poor. Not in a first-world nation anyway. Look, I want to get filthy stinking rich so that everyone on Wall Street knows my name. I want to live at the top of a skyscraper, pay for my kids' educations to go to elite private schools and top-notch universities, have all the perks of a good life, etc. and so forth. In fact, it'd be the ultimate example of the American dream considering that my first two years in this country were living in a cockroach infested apartment.

    HOWEVER: most of the people in this country are not as ambitious as I am, and they're the ones that provide the most man-hours into this economy. Without them, we go to hell in a hand-basket. I believe that if I work hard enough, I'll get my just rewards. In the meantime, I am a citizen of the U.S.A., and as such a citizen, especially one that's been in the lower class living off of food stamps, one that's in the middle class now, and one that wants to be in the upper echelons, I have to ensure that that same chance is offered to every single other person living in the U.S.A. who wants this country and others like it (read: Israel) to prosper.

    Greed is good.

    However, the key is to make sure that this ambition for lots of goodies reaches down to the little people so that they can make our country better.
    It already does. What we're doing now is creating a system that ensures equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. That leads to stagnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You hit on the primary point of why socialism (and all of its various forms) fails. It's based on a flawed understanding of human nature.
    Precisely, Lateralus, precisely. I would love to think that human beings are usually good and usually do the right thing. I would love to think that everyone should care for one another and that no one should have to get sick and die when they can get helped. I would love to have a society in which all members did their equal share and put forward their ideas, their work, and their abilities as they saw fit.

    BUT - it does not WORK. Take a look at East Germany. Take a look at the East European block countries. Take a look at Russia.

    All the countries who sort of came out winners were folks that were not tightly controlled, like Romania, for example, which had a comparatively lenient system. Everyone else has huge barriers and problems now that are only covered over through EU funds and German resources (in the case of East Germany). Shit fire, folks. Sure, there are good aspects. In a perfect society with perfect people who were not total shitheads, socialism WOULD work.

    But we're talking about human beings here. And they use the system and take advantage whenever they can - because if they don't, they will get shit on by other people. It's like nature. You cannot run away from nature because it is uncomfortable.

    It's survival of the fittest folks. And take it or leave it - one day, we all have to face it. It's shitty. Sometimes it's unfair. But it's the law of nature. The law of physics. The law of biology. *Shrugs* And it is the law of human beings, too. Because as much as we humans estrange ourselves from nature, we are part of it and follow the same laws. No system - democratic or otherwise - can change it.

    So socialism WILL FAIL - as all systems will. Democracy will fail, too. And that will hopefully lead to an evolutionary development rather than a devolutionary setback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    So socialism WILL FAIL - as all systems will. Democracy will fail, too. And that will hopefully lead to an evolutionary development rather than a devolutionary setback.
    But will they fail permanently? Democracy is not a new concept. It rose. It fell. It rose again.

    While the nations/empires that practiced democracy may be over, it doesn't mean that democracy won't rise again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I have it on good authority that he's a BLEEDIN COMMUNIST /rantriffic
    Some people also have it on good authority that he's a Muslim and a terrorist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Some people also have it on good authority that he's a Muslim and a terrorist.
    Yes! Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Some people also have it on good authority that he's a Muslim and a terrorist.
    Bill Ayers is a terrorist, and a long-time friend of Obama. That doesn't prove that Obama is a terrorist, but it does raise some questions regarding his judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Bill Ayers is a terrorist, and a long-time friend of Obama. That doesn't prove that Obama is a terrorist, but it does raise some questions regarding his judgment.
    One thing I've learned is that politics and personal life are two very different realms. I've been friends with many people that I would honestly assassinate to keep from holding an office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    *grins* While this may seem like a very un-NTJ thing to say, fairness is overrated. Not when fair doesn't work any better than unfair.
    If you have 2 equally bad system, you're suggesting that the fair one is not preferable?

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    The Canadian health care system ensures that everyone gets access to mediocre service. The American one rations higher quality service to only the people who can afford it. Both system sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    A simple concept, pfft. You're just shifting your argument.

    I don't know why I waste my time with you. You have such a poor understanding of economics, I feel like I'm discussing hygiene with a hobo.
    Why do you resort to condescending personal attacks instead of debating his/her point? If s/he respond in kind, then the discussion will just degenerate into an insult secession.

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