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  • "In God We Trust" on our currency

    3 6.98%
  • "One Nation Under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance

    0 0%
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    7 16.28%
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    33 76.74%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    Well, considering that the first amendment is all about separation of church and state, I have to doubt that its founders had a Christian agenda in mind when coming up with how they wanted their country ran.
    Ok then why was the Constitution and system of government modelled off that of the Presbyterian church? Among other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    What's so drastic about having "In God we trust" printed on money?
    Maybe because not All Americans trust in God? Yes I'm not thinking every day "man, this is so annoying having to look at this dollar and it saying 'in god we trust' on it", but its the idea that matters. They can keep it on the crappy ol' green dollar all they want (it doesn't matter that much), but if we ever have a drastic change in currency I actually doubt that it'll be on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    Maybe because not All Americans trust in God?
    Yet 90+% of them do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Ok then why was the Constitution and system of government modelled off that of the Presbyterian church? Among other things.
    Does that even matter? I mean you say it like it proves something. Okay, so the government was modeled after the Presbyterian Church. Does that negate the anti-involvement stance towards religion?
    There is no such thing as separation from God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yet 90+% of them do.
    Yea but would you really be losing something, do you all really care about it being on there? Every once in a while do you take a look at the dollar and receive some sort of joy from seeing "god" on it? Imo its just unnecessary, but i wouldn't go to lengths of action to get rid of it, its just simply not that important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Does that even matter?
    Yes it does, it's a mere piece in the larger puzzle.

    Does that negate the anti-involvement stance towards religion?
    That was largely meant that there was to be no official state-sanctioned religion. And the historical context for that was the religious conflicts that took place in Europe. It did, nor did it ever, mean that religion was absolutely forbidden in the public sphere. So it's really more about the government's involvement with religion than vice versa, which is what the concept of seperation originally was devised to address.

    The importance of religion in not only the founding but the preservation of American democracy has been more than well documented. Anybody who doesn't recognise this doesn't understand shit about the Ameican political tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    First, Christian social theory has the concept of the common good at its basis.
    What is your definition of "good"? Good to you might be bad to someone else. Other than simple asserting it, what proof do you have that you alone is correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes it does, it's a mere piece in the larger puzzle.



    That was largely meant that there was to be no official state-sanctioned religion. And the historical context for that was the religious conflicts that took place in Europe. It did, nor did it ever, mean that religion was absolutely forbidden in the public sphere.
    I'm sorry, but are you kidding?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
    There is no such thing as separation from God.

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    *waits for the day when church bulletins have "in money we trust" printed in them*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
    That's basically what I just said. Congress cannot establish an official religion. That doesn't mean religion is irrelevant to our political understandings.

    In fact Alexis de Tocqueville noted in Democracy in America that seperation of church and state actually made religion MORE important to American society and government.

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