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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Slavery was a tremendous moral failing, and a violation of the principle of self-government. That is not the same thing as religion. The relationship between government and religion is spelled out explicitly in the 1st Amendment.
    Just because the Constitution says so doesn't mean that it's being upheld (Religious people putting creationism into schools)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    Just because the Constitution says so doesn't mean that it's being upheld (Religious people putting creationism into schools)
    Sure, that is an issue now. Of course, 150 years ago, everyone thought some type of creationism was right, so they taught it then, even though the Constitution should have prevented them. Things like education inevitably become politicized. Personally, I'd scrap the Department of Education, so, in my perfect world, these arguments would be held at the local school district level, or not at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    Just because the Constitution says so doesn't mean that it's being upheld (Religious people putting creationism into schools)
    There is actually nothing unconstitutional about having religion taught in public schools, not that I advocate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Sure, that is an issue now. Of course, 150 years ago, everyone thought some type of creationism was right, so they taught it then, even though the Constitution should have prevented them. Things like education inevitably become politicized. Personally, I'd scrap the Department of Education, so, in my perfect world, these arguments would be held at the local school district level, or not at all.
    No, the Constitution should not have prevented it. Public schools are under the jurisdiction of the state, not the feds. So it could be a violation of a state constitution, but not the US constitution. The feds don't have the power. It's actually unconstitutional for the feds to dictate that public schools can't teach religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    No, the Constitution should not have prevented it. Public schools are under the jurisdiction of the state, not the feds. So it could be a violation of a state constitution, but not the US constitution. The feds don't have the power. It's actually unconstitutional for the feds to dictate that public schools can't teach religion.
    I would disagree here, because there is no possible way to teach every religious belief in the world (there are almost as many as there are people), and, thus, a government agency would be promulgating certain beliefs over others, thereby violating the Establishment Clause.

    EDIT: This is assuming that we are talking about the current day, and the federal government is supplying money to school districts. If the Dept. of Education were gone, and all school taxes were local, it would be a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    There is actually nothing unconstitutional about having religion taught in public schools, not that I advocate it.
    Actually it is, you can't be Forced to be taught religion in schools, however there can be non-manditory classes that have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I would disagree here, because there is no possible way to teach every religious belief in the world (there are almost as many as there are people), and, thus, a government agency would be promulgating certain beliefs over others, thereby violating the Establishment Clause.

    EDIT: This is assuming that we are talking about the current day, and the federal government is supplying money to school districts. If the Dept. of Education were gone, and all school taxes were local, it would be a different story.
    The federal government doesn't even have the power to fund public schools, much less tell them what they can and can't teach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    Actually it is, you can't be Forced to be taught religion in schools, however there can be non-manditory classes that have it.
    There is nothing in the Constitution that grants that power to the federal government. At most, state constitutions are violated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The federal government doesn't even have the power to fund public schools, much less tell them what they can and can't teach.
    They don't have the right to. They obviously have the power to, since they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    There is nothing in the Constitution that grants that power to the federal government. At most, state constitutions are violated.
    But if the federal government funds public education (as it does), teaching religion WOULD be unconstitutional.
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