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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    lol, it's been a while since I looked at this thread - then this evening I thought I would, and this is the most recent post - clearly something in your message called out to me.

    Yes, I am. Are you?
    No...but then, I don't have any sheep genes, either.

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    Oh how humorous you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    lol, it's been a while since I looked at this thread - then this evening I thought I would, and this is the most recent post - clearly something in your message called out to me.

    Yes, I am. Are you?
    In all serious, no, but my wife is part Welsh. Her father's mother was a Hill, and her mother was an Evans. My wife's maiden name was Atchison...a Scotsman in the woodpile, you see.

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    I have to admit that Atchison sounds like a Yorkshire name, but I'm really not up on Scottish genealogy. Hill also doesn't sound uniquely Welsh, but Evans is certainly a stereotypically Welsh surname.

    Any idea where in Wales your wife's family hail(ed) from?
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    Hill is a common name. Nothing can be said about it with any degree of certainty. Unless your haplogroup is G2 and you have ancestors in Maryland or West Virginia, of course.
    The name Evans was originally Evansen. It was first used by a Danish Viking in reference to a Welsh lad whose father was John.
    Location: Glamorgan, South Wales.
    Early 11th Century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    I have to admit that Atchison sounds like a Yorkshire name, but I'm really not up on Scottish genealogy. Hill also doesn't sound uniquely Welsh, but Evans is certainly a stereotypically Welsh surname.

    Any idea where in Wales your wife's family hail(ed) from?
    Wales has parts?

    I thought Wales was a part.

    Okay...just kidding...no, I don't know. But I do know that the Atchison connection is a Scottish one. They're connected with a clan, though I forget which one at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon67 View Post
    Wales has parts?

    I thought Wales was a part.

    Okay...just kidding...no, I don't know. But I do know that the Atchison connection is a Scottish one. They're connected with a clan, though I forget which one at the moment.
    Originally Arthurkynson.

    The son of the Tribe of Arthur the King.

    Kynson is a descendant in a direct line (of the King).

    Kyning is a decendant in an indirect line (of the King).

    If there was no Kynson available to ascend to the throne after the death of the King, the eldest member of the Kyning was chosen to be King.

    Kyning > King.

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    Was the "Tribe of Arthur the King" any tribe led by an Arthur, or a specific tribe led by a specific Arthur, out of interest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    Was the "Tribe of Arthur the King" any tribe led by an Arthur, or a specific tribe led by a specific Arthur, out of interest?
    We define the nominative as the subject.
    Hence the accusative of the nominative is the genetive.

    The sign of the bear is the emblem of the King.

    If you are a descendant of the King after two direct lines of descendancy (=by the maternal and the paternal line simultaneously) you bear the double emblem of the sign of the bear.
    A tradition of long standing.

    The history is found in the Indo-European etymology and custom.
    Originally borrowed from the Finno-Ugrian neighbours in the early second Millenium BC.
    Location: Southern Russia.

    Etymology.
    In the accusative case the velar (a clusile) component is lost.
    If the accusative case assumes the place of the nominative case, the velar component is lost in the nominative case also.

    Greek: arktos
    Latin: ursus

    If we discount the dissolvement of the velar the difference is in the line of orthography only.

    Arkt-Ursus> Arthurus > Arthur.
    Definitely the King.

    The Bear-Bear.

    There was a lot of interbreeding between the Celts and the Vikings at the period.
    Also the Norsemen and the Danes interbred.

    Hence Atchison is a descendant of Arthur the King.
    Across the Norwegian line of the House of course.

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    Interesting, although I can't pretend to fully follow more than half of that.

    When did the bear emerge as the symbol of 'the' King? Note the bold - Britain was not unified in the time you're talking of...
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