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    Bob Ellison, Angry White Man, Rants On Baltimore Protesters

    Okay so following links from a feed I got to the above thinking it would be some out and out racist talking nonsense. I mean I'm used to the usual American over statement and over reaction but then I watched the video and the guy seems to be peeved so he's probably using extremes for emphasis bit otherwise seems like a reasonable guy who wants people to take responsibility for themselves (not unreasonable) and is peeved at the perceived culture of entitlement (also reasonable) but most of the comments on that article and on facebook seem to class him as some kind of extremist.

    What am I missing here?

    It is interesting that the so called lead nation of the free world still hasn't settled the whole race thing to a minor issue (it rarely comes up in the UK despite or rampant areas of no go sharia law...) but surely this is pure media focus right? This guy is no more extreme than the next man.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Well, at least he's right about the media.

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    Just because he says something does not mean anyone is going to do it.

    It doesn't matter if I agree with him or not (I mostly don't) because I'm not the one burning down a city.

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    This kind of stuff is a total waste of time and is not newsworthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Bob Ellison, Angry White Man, Rants On Baltimore Protesters

    Okay so following links from a feed I got to the above thinking it would be some out and out racist talking nonsense. I mean I'm used to the usual American over statement and over reaction but then I watched the video and the guy seems to be peeved so he's probably using extremes for emphasis bit otherwise seems like a reasonable guy who wants people to take responsibility for themselves (not unreasonable) and is peeved at the perceived culture of entitlement (also reasonable) but most of the comments on that article and on facebook seem to class him as some kind of extremist.

    What am I missing here?

    It is interesting that the so called lead nation of the free world still hasn't settled the whole race thing to a minor issue (it rarely comes up in the UK despite or rampant areas of no go sharia law...) but surely this is pure media focus right? This guy is no more extreme than the next man.
    I see nothing has changed while I was away

    You (and others here) make the mistake of assuming that all people would naturally integrate but are simply "held back" by institutionalised white racism. Somebody who believes this will understandably find it quite hard to explain how antipathy persists between racial groups over time. However, there are alternatives you have not considered.

    I want to throw an idea out there - what if people have innate racial preferences? This would neatly explain the paradox (for liberals) where highly diverse urban areas are experiencing substantial social unrest. It would explain why, after 50 years of federal commitment in the U.S. to "bringing people together", the races are nearly as segregated as they were in 1965. It would explain why when immigrant groups become larger, the rate of intermarriage actually falls. And despite their demonisation in the press white men show far more charity to other races than the inverse. I do note that the whites who view diversity most kindly tend to live a long way away from it, though.

    Also, isn't it a little patronising (not to mention hypocritical) for an egalitarian to view non-white groups as less capable of immoral thoughts and actions? You are denying them the right to be fallen, essentially treating them like children.

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    When I saw this thread title, I thought, "Xander knows my dad?"

    Just kidding. Sort of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    I see nothing has changed while I was away

    You (and others here) make the mistake of assuming that all people would naturally integrate but are simply "held back" by institutionalised white racism. Somebody who believes this will understandably find it quite hard to explain how antipathy persists between racial groups over time. However, there are alternatives you have not considered.

    I want to throw an idea out there - what if people have innate racial preferences? This would neatly explain the paradox (for liberals) where highly diverse urban areas are experiencing substantial social unrest. It would explain why, after 50 years of federal commitment in the U.S. to "bringing people together", the races are nearly as segregated as they were in 1965. It would explain why when immigrant groups become larger, the rate of intermarriage actually falls. And despite their demonisation in the press white men show far more charity to other races than the inverse. I do note that the whites who view diversity most kindly tend to live a long way away from it, though.

    Also, isn't it a little patronising (not to mention hypocritical) for an egalitarian to view non-white groups as less capable of immoral thoughts and actions? You are denying them the right to be fallen, essentially treating them like children.
    Children do not have innate racial preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Children do not have innate racial preferences.
    I would challenge that.



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    BREAKING NEWS: Person posts rant on YouTube.
    Because in right-wingnut world, people would rather blame themselves for their own hardships than those who’ve stacked the deck against them, because it makes them feel more in control.
    People only have a sense of agency in a wingnut world? It's only the lunatics that believe that we have some sense of self-control? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jscrothers View Post
    BREAKING NEWS: Person posts rant on YouTube.
    People only have a sense of agency in a wingnut world? It's only the lunatics that believe that we have some sense of self-control? Really?
    ....like the self-professed conservative owner of Bill's Barbecue in Richmond, Virginia who insisted on blaming Obama when their restaurant went out of business less than a year after he was inaugurated, despite the fact that the food was shit, the "homemade" grape limeade was country time lemonade mixed with grape soda and the restaurants were crawling with roaches.

    Riiight, but let's blame Obama because it makes for a nice narrative about the socialist who wants to destroy small business. The free market destroyed Bill's, as it should any business unwilling to adapt and compete

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