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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    There's legal protest and crime, if the government has become criminal then these rules change or are temporarily suspended but even were a government and irregular forces are contending in a struggle there remain rules of war, and those who break those rules are war criminals.
    Even if the government is criminal, it can still punish true criminals (like arsonists, thieves, and blockers of roads).

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    I'm beginning to believe that freedom of speech does not actually exist. and it will continue to exist even less before it gets better.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kephalos View Post
    Even if the government is criminal, it can still punish true criminals (like arsonists, thieves, and blockers of roads).
    It can but it will be inclined to imprison politicals and call them criminals.

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    Freedom of speech and expression is fine, but when someone bashes another person for exercising that right, especially a famous person who can't move away to escape the disruption, that's where I draw the line.
    "Don't let a damned soul stomp on you for your age, but instead show them that you can be just as good as them in both morals and judgment"- 1 Timothy 4:12 in my own words that I can relate to.

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    A lot of the people who're offended are acting the victim and maybe they were once the victim but they look more like bullies to me every day and eventually their supporters may realise that but it'll be too late by then to do much about it.

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    I'm a real man. I have freedom of speech.

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    Freedom of speech - YES
    Right to offend - YES
    Freedom and Right to abuse - NO

    Since different people get offended to different things a line that everyone could agree on could never be drawn to indicate what the limit should be. Therefore offense should be allowed by abuse not.
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    True story: I was on an email list and this woman kept claiming her husband was abusing her. I had a hunch her idea of abuse was bullshit, so I finally asked what the so-called abuse was. It turned out she stacked a bunch of quarters on the kitchen table every night before she went to bed. Her husband got fed up with it and in the middle of the night he went out and knocked them over. She got up and saw the quarters all over the floor in the morning and she called it abuse.

    Different people call things abuse, just as different people call things offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    True story: I was on an email list and this woman kept claiming her husband was abusing her. I had a hunch her idea of abuse was bullshit, so I finally asked what the so-called abuse was. It turned out she stacked a bunch of quarters on the kitchen table every night before she went to bed. Her husband got fed up with it and in the middle of the night he went out and knocked them over. She got up and saw the quarters all over the floor in the morning and she called it abuse.

    Different people call things abuse, just as different people call things offensive.
    That's why you question whether a thing is representative or not, there's odd balls and people who're unusually sensitive or sensitive as a consequence of some unique experience or politics or outlook but you couldnt consider that representative of anything other than that one individual or instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I'm a real man. I have freedom of speech.
    Good for you, now all you need is intelligence to know how to use it.

    For you I can see this being a little bit more of a challenge than blindly asserting your manliness.

    Which I also doubt.

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