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    I'd be ok with someone shouting fire in a crowded theatre as long as the mob gets to beat the shit out of him afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You seem to grant quite a lot of permission for that.
    What makes you say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What makes you say that?
    You seem like someone who is easily offended.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You seem like someone who is easily offended.
    Oh OK.

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    Without limits upon freedom of speech there can be no real decision about people who preach hate and gather others to their cause. Such bodies could feasibly end up being represented within official bodies (mind you under democracy, should such a thing ever occur, that can hapoen).

    Does this mean then that being pc is inherently without value and should be abandoned? Should all cases of deformation of character be dismissed? What about damage to name and reputation? Surely this would then extend to a cry of "no foul" if someone uses your name or a corporations logo/name for purposes of derision or review.

    What about booing the national anthem?

    Besides if your solution is to levy harsh punishment against those you deem as misusing their freedom then aren't you limiting that freedom by stating that there will be harsh repercussions? Isn't that the same threat we use for crime? As discussed there's no minority report here but the implications of a following punishment will naturally inhibit free speech.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Does this mean then that being pc is inherently without value and should be abandoned?
    Yes and yes. (presuming pc means 'politically correct') A recent article (2/7/15) on the subject ~ A Short History Of The Politically Correct Movement: The toxic resurgence of political correctness goes back beyond the American campus to Trotsky, Mao and Che. Marx And Mao Would Love Trigger Warnings - The Daily Beast

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Should all cases of deformation of character be dismissed?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    What about damage to name and reputation?
    There are libel, defamation & slander laws. Fraud could also apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Surely this would then extend to a cry of "no foul" if someone uses your name or a corporations logo/name for purposes of derision or review.
    See above + copyright/patent law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    What about booing the national anthem?
    Sure. It all depends on whose ox is being gored. I'm pro gore myself.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    Yes and yes. (presuming pc means 'politically correct') A recent article (2/7/15) on the subject ~ A Short History Of The Politically Correct Movement: The toxic resurgence of political correctness goes back beyond the American campus to Trotsky, Mao and Che. Marx And Mao Would Love Trigger Warnings - The Daily Beast



    No.



    There are libel, defamation & slander laws. Fraud could also apply.



    See above + copyright/patent law.



    Sure. It all depends on whose ox is being gored. I'm pro gore myself.
    I was referring more to what should it be than what it's current state is.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I was referring more to what should it be than what it's current state is.
    I see. Thanks for the clarification. WWOS? What Would Orwell Say. "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell

    Orwell was the most honest political writer in the English language, because he invariably put the truth above all considerations of ideology, tactics, or party loyalty. He was quite the opposite of PC.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft

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    Freedom of speech necessitates a 'right' to offend. The freer the speech, the more chance that someone will be offended by some speech. It's an (often) unintended consequence. Whether or not freedom of speech is desirable in and of itself, though, is a separate issue.

    Provocation can be a good thing. Gets people out of their bubble. Just don't be a prick about it, y'know?

    Any interaction between two people is a function of both of them. Person A can do something quite innocuous, and person B can get slighted by it. What if B is offended, literally, when someone else sneezes? Perhaps his father had a sneezing fit while at the wheel and crashed into a ditch and died, and sneezes remind him of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    I see. Thanks for the clarification. WWOS? What Would Orwell Say. "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell

    Orwell was the most honest political writer in the English language, because he invariably put the truth above all considerations of ideology, tactics, or party loyalty. He was quite the opposite of PC.
    Wouldn't it be nice if for once we could say this of a politician in play right now?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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