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    I love that a civil and in-depth conversation has evolved despite the OP. In my dreams, everyone would also ignore the trolling remarks and continue to actually discuss the topic without even acknowledging them.
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    @Xander Is it weird that I read all of your posts in Spock's voice?
    WOOP WOOP WOOP
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    @Xander Is it weird that I read all of your posts in Spock's voice?
    Weird? I'm reading @jixmixfix in the style of Drax from GOTG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    @Xander Is it weird that I read all of your posts in Spock's voice?
    Me too! I keep going over my writing having to delete "live long and prosper" references before posting. Its like I am talking to Leonard Nimoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Question, what do you think a weaker man should do in a world with more accepted gay men? Should we also have escorts? Should we learn how to fight better and beaf up?
    Gay men existed before as well, the difference of acceptance makes it easier for them to meet other openly gay men, and a repressed sexuality is more likely to cause unhealthy and violent behaviors then an open sexuality, so if anything it probably decreased sexual assault among men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Do women worry about overly forceful lesbians? If not, does this equate to sexism?
    Funny you should say, that is actually a serious problem. Lesbian rape in prison turns out to be pretty common and it is often not taken seriously by prison authorities, even when it includes outright threats of violence.

    I think this reflects on a much larger trend - even with extreme violence - we almost instinctively dismiss it when it's among women, stripping them of personal agency. A very good friends of mine from my teenhood used to be regularly sexually violated by an older girl throughout her childhood, and sadly this was a major part of what contributed to her eventual decision (Suicide).

    One of my major disagreements with Karen Straughan (Girls Writes What) is that even if you can rationalize gender-discriminatory approaches throughout history as a balance of power to responsibility ratio's, it still does not translates into a balance of personal agency, and in doing so she misses the most critical family relation between chauvinistic societies and feminist dogmas, as both tend to show an amazing disregard of personal agency and fall into the folly of attempting to protect women from their own will (Which is why I consider them sister movements).
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    ^^^ Eh, as a precaution, before this goes astray, I'd like to point out that Lesbians are not women who mimic men, they are women who are sexually attracted to women. Women who sexually attack women aren't Lesbians, it's primarily an act of power, not attraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    Besides, shelves are such a petty thing to fall out over.
    No doubt, which is why divorce sounded good. My worst nightmare is about my kind, sexy, ambitious husband turning into a fat, lazy, good for nothing that doesn't care about anyone including himself and argues about doing even the simplest of helpful tasks. In such a case, I'd be better off alone and I'd have no qualms about checking out of the relationship. I won't be trapped, disrespected, or abused.

    I think I may have given the wrong impression with "argue", yes we both want to do it, but we do decide amicably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    ^^^ Eh, as a precaution, before this goes astray, I'd like to point out that Lesbians are not women who mimic men, they are women who are sexually attracted to women. Women who sexually attack women aren't Lesbians, it's primarily an act of power, not attraction.
    WTF

    In fact double WTF

    So much wrong the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    @Xander Is it weird that I read all of your posts in Spock's voice?
    I hear a Brit talking when I read his posts.
    From this hour I ordain myself loos’d of limits and imaginary lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    WTF

    In fact double WTF

    So much wrong the world...
    What's the problem here Lark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Question, what do you think a weaker man should do in a world with more accepted gay men? Should we also have escorts? Should we learn how to fight better and beaf up?

    This has so long been the reserve of women to think like this, how long until we all have to consider these things seriously?

    What's the end result?

    Do women worry about overly forceful lesbians? If not, does this equate to sexism?

    Not trying to score points, just asking questions I think are interesting.
    I'd feel the same way about an overly forceful lesbian - in particular if her physical strength had a similar relationship to mine as a man.

    There is an unidentified demographic of people who are genuinely nice, which includes men and women. I've known kindhearted men that dominant women really tear into to make up for their lack of dominance with the more brutish of the species. I've had female authority figures make me feel quite violated, personally. It's mostly that the more layers of demographics a person possesses that have less power, the harder it is. If you only have one demographic element of lesser power, then you get to experience both sides of the coin. If you are layered up with four of them, then you face a struggle that the majority of people won't recognize. It's always very complex and layered and any discussion that approaches these issues in a one-dimensional way will not be sufficient in addressing it.
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