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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    You don't think women are oppressed? Men have held power for thousands of years. You don't think it's time to give women a chance?
    I didn't say that they haven't been, I'm saying that they're successful and will supplant men but wont enjoy it once they have. It's only cool as long as you're the underdog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I didn't say that they haven't been, I'm saying that they're successful and will supplant men but wont enjoy it once they have.
    Why wouldn't they enjoy it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Why wouldn't they enjoy it?
    I'm not sure they would. If they did, they would be hypocrites. Responsible feminist goals aim for equality, not for replacing men as oppressors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Why wouldn't they enjoy it?
    Women won't ever take on the role men currently have, for two reasons.

    1. Most don't want to because with power comes responsibility
    2. If women collectively did desire to supersede men, we wouldn't allow it. For a start it would spell the end of humanity because we would in practice lose our reproductive viability. And also, no group ever willingly gives up its power, not even for sex.

    Also, I agree with Disco that most women would probably find it a hollow victory in the end. Men like you have ulterior motives for propping up feminism, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Women won't ever take on the role men currently have, for two reasons.

    1. Most don't want to because with power comes responsibility
    2. If women collectively did desire to supersede men, we wouldn't allow it. For a start it would spell the end of humanity because we would in practice lose our reproductive viability. And also, no group ever willingly gives up its power, not even for sex.

    Also, I agree with Disco that most women would probably find it a hollow victory in the end. Men like you have ulterior motives for propping up feminism, of course.
    Is it the case that fewer women seek absolute power (as in as much power as possible)? Would that be a GOOD thing, in terms of power being a corruptive force?

    Why the fear of being supplanted by women? This seems like a paranoid notion; one group who wants what another group has will not necessarily want to take it all for themselves. There is something called sharing, you know. Is this something women are better at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    Is it the case that fewer women seek absolute power (as in as much power as possible)? Would that be a GOOD thing, in terms of power being a corruptive force?
    Something I find amusing is that liberals appeal to biological differences in psychology when it suits their cause, but fight against it when it does not. To me extreme liberals are even more anti-scientific than religious evangelicals. At least the latter have the cajones to deny evolution entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    Why the fear of being supplanted by women? This seems like a paranoid notion; one group who wants what another group has will not necessarily want to take it all for themselves. There is something called sharing, you know. Is this something women are better at?
    It isn't in my interests to support androgyny. I am a scion of the old order, and life would have been easier for me if feminism had never been.

    While you are unlikely to ever convince me, as a general rule if you want to sell an ideal to people, you first need to persuade them that they gain something by supporting it. Feminism competes in the market of ideals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Something I find amusing is that liberals appeal to biological differences in psychology when it suits their cause, but fight against it when it does not. To me extreme liberals are even more anti-scientific than religious evangelicals. At least the latter have the cajones to deny evolution entirely.



    It isn't in my interests to support androgyny. I am a scion of the old order, and life would have been easier for me if feminism had never been.

    While you are unlikely to ever convince me, as a general rule if you want to sell an ideal to people, you first need to persuade them that they gain something by supporting it. Feminism competes in the market of ideals.
    I just read your reply as "Liberals nananananana *fingers in ears*" so should I give your arguments the write-off as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Something I find amusing is that liberals appeal to biological differences in psychology when it suits their cause, but fight against it when it does not. To me extreme liberals are even more anti-scientific than religious evangelicals. At least the latter have the cajones to deny evolution entirely.
    Reasonable people appeal to biological differences when the differences are both real and relevant to the matter at hand. Liberals or conservatives who do anything else are just denying reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    It isn't in my interests to support androgyny. I am a scion of the old order, and life would have been easier for me if feminism had never been.

    While you are unlikely to ever convince me, as a general rule if you want to sell an ideal to people, you first need to persuade them that they gain something by supporting it. Feminism competes in the market of ideals.
    So what did white Americans gain by giving up black slavery? Many people really will respond to a moral argument, even if they have to give up something in the end. A big part of the slavery battle was getting people to accept that blacks were human beings with the same value as whites. I see alot of this in the argument for gender equality as well. Some men, historically and even now, want to treat women as overgrown children rather than capable independent adults. It is easy to feel comfortable in a superior position when you feel you really are superior, and in fact are doing the inferior group(s) a service by acting as their lord and master. And yes, in some respects this does make your life easier. I suppose it might come down to just how selfish and unrealistic the average man is today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Women won't ever take on the role men currently have, for two reasons.

    1. Most don't want to because with power comes responsibility.
    Why do you think no women would want responsibility?
    2. If women collectively did desire to supersede men, we wouldn't allow it. For a start it would spell the end of humanity because we would in practice lose our reproductive viability.
    I think there are always going to be couples out there who want kids. This seems like an overblown fear.


    Also, I agree with Disco that most women would probably find it a hollow victory in the end. Men like you have ulterior motives for propping up feminism, of course.
    What kind of ulterior motives? I genuinely think humanity would benefit from not relegating women to sealed off spheres. Speaking more selfishly, I think it makes life more interesting. I like dating women who regard themselves as my equal. It also tends to mean less relationship drama when both partners can communicate on a level playing field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    Is it the case that fewer women seek absolute power (as in as much power as possible)? Would that be a GOOD thing, in terms of power being a corruptive force?

    Why the fear of being supplanted by women? This seems like a paranoid notion; one group who wants what another group has will not necessarily want to take it all for themselves. There is something called sharing, you know. Is this something women are better at?
    Feminism and gynocentrism has greatly contributed to the economic collapse in Europe and soon the western world. Our current model for supporting female privlidge is riding up the debt.I predict the next two years there will be an economic collapse.

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