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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Well when you see pretty much the exact same discussions take place over and over for 20 - 30 years, very little changes, and hardly anyone ever seems to show an increase in critical thinking, [when they don't already have it] it may leave one to wonder.
    That can certainly be very jading. I suppose it depends on what kind of change you are looking for.

    Edit: I would argue that the ones who already had it had to develop it at some place, and these kind of discussions can be a good environment for that, usually for people at a younger age, before making up their minds. It's been 30 years for me too, but I still remember when these topics felt new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    Sorry, I meant Gender Egalitarian Society. It's not 2034 yet where you are? Damn time zone differences...
    I think 2034 is a damned optimistic deadline. But we can all hope for the best. Never give up the dream!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    I think 2034 is a damned optimistic deadline. But we can all hope for the best. Never give up the dream!
    Oh I am not saying we'll live in a gender egalitarian society, I am saying we'll have some kind of 3rd party that will advocate for and might name themselves as the Gender Egalitarian Society, the synthesis spanky was talking about that would likely be needed to break a very possible gridlock situation between feminism and the MRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Well when you see pretty much the exact same discussions take place over and over for 20 - 30 years, very little changes, and hardly anyone ever seems to show an increase in critical thinking, [when they don't already have it] it may leave one to wonder.
    Hello,

    Two points.

    The first point is that research has shown that women have an in group bias and men do not. "Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men?"

    PDF ~ Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men? - ResearchGate

    This was/is also known as the Women are wonderful effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Basically men & women trust women and neither trust men. Which backs up the stereotype, imo that women are collectivist commie/socialists *hides* and that men are brutally competitive with each other and trust out of group men about as far as they can throw them. Shhh don't tell the feminists that though, it kinda sorta undermines patriarchy theory

    Secondly, the internets, namely social media.
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    @SpankyMcFly - That's one of the most questionable variables in predicting whether the antithesis has a chance to gain a significant foothold:

    How many men can be arsed into having the same protective reflex towards other men that we have towards women? Can it even be done on any significant scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    That can certainly be very jading. I suppose it depends on what kind of change you are looking for.

    Edit: I would argue that the ones who already had it had to develop it at some place, and these kind of discussions can be a good environment for that, usually for people at a younger age, before making up their minds. It's been 30 years for me too, but I still remember when these topics felt new.
    I suppose that's true in a strangely Darwinian sense... but this 'environment' is a crapshoot if you fall into the wrong hands and develop the wrong biases. Like the Neo-Nazis you were talking about earlier... sure, they know everything about their side. Which means they also probably know everything about trying to convince people of their side. Who's to say that a young person who goes in ill prepared will come out unscathed with an unbiased increase of critical thinking? Who's to say that their blade actually gets sharpened, and that they don't simply get indoctrinated instead?

    I mean really, some people's insane ideas also must develop some place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    I suppose that's true in a strangely Darwinian sense... but this 'environment' is a crapshoot if you fall into the wrong hands and develop the wrong biases. Like the Neo-Nazis you were talking about earlier... sure, they know everything about their side. Which means they also probably know everything about trying to convince people of their side. Who's to say that a young person who goes in ill prepared will come out unscathed with an unbiased increase of critical thinking? Who's to say that their blade actually gets sharpened, and that they don't simply get indoctrinated instead?

    I mean really, some people's insane ideas also must develop some place.
    That's true. Maybe it just makes us all a little bit more extreme in whatever it is we are.

    Edit: Also, at the risk of sounding like a very certain mole... Doesn't typology meet the criteria of such specialized knowledge? Isn't this place such a bubble? Are we all in the rabbit hole right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    That's true. Maybe it just makes us all a little bit more extreme in whatever it is we are.

    Edit: Also, at the risk of sounding like a very certain mole... Doesn't typology meet the criteria of such specialized knowledge? Isn't this place such a bubble? Are we all in the rabbit hole right now?
    Maybe, if you take it seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    @SpankyMcFly - That's one of the most questionable variables in predicting whether the antithesis has a chance to gain a significant foothold:

    How many men can be arsed into having the same protective reflex towards other men that we have towards women? Can it even be done on any significant scale?
    Ryan looked at 5 hypotheses as to why this is, which all reduce to conditioning. This may seem easy enough but the 'issue' is much deeper than what I posted, imo.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    @SpankyMcFly - That's one of the most questionable variables in predicting whether the antithesis has a chance to gain a significant foothold:

    How many men can be arsed into having the same protective reflex towards other men that we have towards women? Can it even be done on any significant scale?
    I think the anti-thesis is already building. You see this protective reflex being espoused towards women by MGTOW, which ironically means that MGTOW view women just like they view other men
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft
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