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    Quote Originally Posted by nos4a2 View Post
    I’d love to be able to tell people I was raised by wolves. That would be really cool.
    You can but it probably be a lie
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    I pretty much don't believe that there is anything uniquely and intrinsically valuable about a parent of one sex or the other, so that terminates the article for me.

    It looks as though, for some reason, some reason that might very well have nothing to do with any aspect of her parents, she became emotionally vulnerable, and some devout Christian strands preyed on that vulnerability in the fashion they are so good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    She goes on in the article to explain that further, I'm not quoting the whole thing due to the annotation rules....

    Then of course we get to this:



    Yeah. So now the whole thing is muddied for me again.... I can say she WAS hurting due to her daddy issues, but.... how much of it is daddy? how much of it is two lesbian moms who apparently still gave her the world, since chances are her life was better with them than with dear old dad even by her own admission? Would it have been different if she had never "officially" had a dad (versus just a bad one, and with her lesbian mom leaving him, thus "taking way something from her") etc. And she apparently dove headfirst into religion at some point, and those kinds of conversion experiences often result in these kinds of declarations.

    And World Magazine? They made the news a year ago when they decided that they would not discriminate against gay hires and would provide benefits to gay spouses, and then within two days when three zillion conservative churches threatened to dump all their funding for their ministry, they back-pedaled like mad and apparently have been toeing the line ever since.

    The reality is that I do not know her experience intimately like she does, nor enough data to evaluate it. Also, she's not saying anything that the conservative churches haven't already been pushing for years -- she's just one of those perfect mouthpieces for them, since she had two lesbian moms, and they're essentially making her into their current poster child. So I feel bad for her, because now the media will go through every inch of her life + keep tabs on her, and if she ever changes her mind, or if she gets divorced, or some other change in her life that should remain private, it will become public because she's let herself get in the middle of this media event.


    EDIT:

    here's the essay.
    Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

    This will be a fun Easter for her family. Oh dear.
    She is connecting two unrelated issues. She is also dismissing the experiences of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    She goes on in the article to explain that further, I'm not quoting the whole thing due to the annotation rules....

    Then of course we get to this:



    Yeah. So now the whole thing is muddied for me again.... I can say she WAS hurting due to her daddy issues, but.... how much of it is daddy? how much of it is two lesbian moms who apparently still gave her the world, since chances are her life was better with them than with dear old dad even by her own admission? Would it have been different if she had never "officially" had a dad (versus just a bad one, and with her lesbian mom leaving him, thus "taking way something from her") etc. And she apparently dove headfirst into religion at some point, and those kinds of conversion experiences often result in these kinds of declarations.

    And World Magazine? They made the news a year ago when they decided that they would not discriminate against gay hires and would provide benefits to gay spouses, and then within two days when three zillion conservative churches threatened to dump all their funding for their ministry, they back-pedaled like mad and apparently have been toeing the line ever since.

    The reality is that I do not know her experience intimately like she does, nor enough data to evaluate it. Also, she's not saying anything that the conservative churches haven't already been pushing for years -- she's just one of those perfect mouthpieces for them, since she had two lesbian moms, and they're essentially making her into their current poster child. So I feel bad for her, because now the media will go through every inch of her life + keep tabs on her, and if she ever changes her mind, or if she gets divorced, or some other change in her life that should remain private, it will become public because she's let herself get in the middle of this media event.


    EDIT:

    here's the essay.
    Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

    This will be a fun Easter for her family. Oh dear.
    She is connecting two unrelated issues. She is also dismissing the experiences of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nos4a2 View Post
    I’d love to be able to tell people I was raised by wolves. That would be really cool.
    Children who are raised by wolves or isolated from human contact in general actually have profound difficulties learning any human language, so congratulations on your achievement. I bet you can even walk upright.

    More on topic, as someone already mentioned, she is currently the perfect mouthpiece for whoever wants to push their specific agenda. Which means whatever she's struggling with won't resolve itself, because the groups she's allied herself with are only going to reinforce her sense of victimization. Overall not conducive to personal development, no matter what she ends up thinking at the end. Because forget any other experience, this is dramatic and appeals to my already held convictions so it must be representative of everyone.

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    The reality is her stance is irrelevant. Truly, if everyone spoke out against marriage based on the nature of the relationship no one would be allowed to marry. Just look at all the normal straight relationships with all kinds of fucked up kids and daddy issues.

    It sort of saddened me that, when I read the title, I immediately thought, 'What, did she become a Christian or something?' and I thought to myself, 'omg, stop stereotyping' and clicked on the thread...
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    Civil gay marriage doesn't affect anyone's well-being, so there's little reason for opposition. As for adoption by homosexual couples, I'm not entirely convinced that this is something desirable per se, but it's not like people are deciding between an heterosexual couple and an homosexual couple for a child; usually it's a matter of either homosexual parents or no parents at all.

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    I don't know anything about child psychology and development, so I can't say anything on the subject of whether having traditional mum and dad is better than having same-sex parents or not. I would say, however, that having a loving family is better than none.

    So I agree with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Civil gay marriage doesn't affect anyone's well-being, so there's little reason for opposition. As for adoption by homosexual couples, I'm not entirely convinced that this is something desirable per se, but it's not like people are deciding between an heterosexual couple and an homosexual couple for a child; usually it's a matter of either homosexual parents or no parents at all.
    In this person's case, she might be 'hurting'. But she can't really speak for all children of same-sex couples. Not everyone shares her experience. It seems her issue is more about not having a dad rather than about having two moms.

    Still, I think she raised a good point that children of same-sex couples should be able to talk about it without being labeled a 'hater' and open discussion should be encouraged.
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    The reasons she is giving to oppose gay marriages isnt relates to gay marriagea at all.

    My father seldom showed any affection, therefore i craved for a father figure, and since my mother didn't have a male lover who might have cared for me, i oppose gay marriages, although my other mother cared for me deeply.

    If thats her argument she should oppose all single parent s too.
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    People often gripe about the issue of adoption by same sex couples; detailing how missing out on a father/mother figure will mess the child up, using problems with single parent upbringings to try to prove it. No one seems to consider whether missing out on the balance that comes with two parental figures (regardless of sex) and/or having a parent who abandoned you, might be the thing that is screwing people up. It could have nothing to do with the gender of the people raising you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nos4a2 View Post
    So I’m going to try my hand at doing a thread. Hope I don't screw it up.

    Just saw this clip about Heather Barwick a few minutes ago. We haven’t heard enough about gay marriage, right? This chick seems to have unresolved issues with the two moms who raised her, among other things. Naturally certain paranoid religious/right wing types view her as a hero for overcoming whatever “indoctrination” she was subjected to in her "perverted" upbringing.

    Personally, I favored gay marriage (the right of any two consenting adults to marry or do whatever the hell they want) before it was cool to.
    Sounds like the topic's not up for discussion then.

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