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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    Ajlblaise... I think you're overstating it... and I refer you to sassafrassquatch... "why isn't everyone stumbling around drunk all the time?" Alcohol's great, really gets you out of the quotidian....

    Also, as I've stated in a prior post (following your earlier one), China's problems with opium weren't as simple and straightforward as "there's an opium epidemic."
    Alcohol can't be compared to heroin. Have you done strong opiates or H?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    Why do you care if it does not affect you? Druggies aren't out to conquer the world or kill infidels.
    It would effect me...utter bliss for cheap would be too tempting for me.

    And a opium epidemic would effect everyone...our quality of life relies on everyone else getting their shit done, making the trains run on time and all that.

    And junkies aren't the best people to deal with or the most reliable.


    Just way out the negatives and positives man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    So you wouldn't mind what happened in China happening where you live? Hey that's cool, but I hope I don't live near you.
    As I've said, so long as you don't infringe on others' rights to live how they wish, others should not have a right to infringe on yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    As I've said, so long as you don't infringe on others' rights to live how they wish, others should not have a right to infringe on yours.
    Yeah yeah, that sounds great and all. Reality is a little more complex.

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    This thread has really gone downhill. It's obvious that no one participating actually read the article, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing the points you are.

    Addiction would increase, however, the affect prohibition has on drug use is overestimated by ajblaise. An addict doesn't care if they're breaking the law. And people experiment with illegal drugs all the time. How many people don't experiment because it's illegal? I've never met one. The lower cost would allow more people to experiment, but how many don't experiment because it's too expensive? Again, I've never met one. Addicts would see the greatest benefit from reduced cost. This would bring a drastic drop in violent crimes, robberies, muggings, etc, not only because addicts would no longer need to steal to support their habit, but also because they aren't stuck in a prison system that turns them into a hardened criminal.

    The article explains how individuals would be more likely to clean up if prohibition was ended. The author gives concrete examples. I thought the author did a great job of discussing the issue from an economic perspective. But if you're not going to actually read it, it doesn't do much good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Heroin is 1000x worse than alcohol.....no one's ever sucked dick for a beer.
    You can buy beer anywhere for less than a dollar a beer. Have you ever seen a true alcoholic go through withdrawal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Does this high cause parents to abandon their kids? Does it cause misery for millions? Then yes.

    I wouldn't want to bust low level users, but high level trafficers.

    Saying "legalize all drugs!" sounds cool, but it's really not a mature viewpoint.
    How is that immature? Telling people that they can do what they want, as long as they accept the consequences? That is what being an adult is.
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    People have been using drugs since the dawn of time, all of a sudden certain drugs were made illegal for about the last 100 years, what about before then? Whats really hypocritical is the same Government that puts people in jail for using them.....are the same people that ship them in. It never made the mainstream media but last year a CIA Gulfstream jet crashed in the Yucatan with 3+ tons of cocaine > Newsvine - CIA Plane Crashes in Yucatan Carrying 3.2 Tons of Cocaine

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    Legalizing any addictive substance and making it easy and acceptable to require is very irresponsible. How many smokers do you know? I was a smoker and if it was not so easy to acquire and acceptable for me to do it, without any immediate threats, I would not have done it enough to get addicted. I wasn't a bad person, I just wanted to try it, and try it, and try it, thats all. Working at the hospital, I know for a fact that atleast 1/3 of our M.D./DO staff has taken time off and been forced into our own rehab program. Many of them are repeat offenders. The easier your access to it, the higher your number of abusers will be. The biggest abusers of pain medication in our state are not college kids, or gangsters and thugs, its your average every day caucasian middle class housewife/soccer mom. They have the easiest time convincing doctors to give them perscriptions and anxiety medications more than anyone else.

    Now I am not naive in the fact that thinking making something illegal will stop it, heck no, you will always have a black market. Only differences is that making something legal will boost the number of users, that is all. Anyone that says alcohol is not a problem in our society is full of so much shit it stinks. Statistically, the highest likely cause for my death in the United states is due to a alcohol related car accident, and then probably heart problems later on in life due to abusing food or smoking.

    Just out of curiousity, which drug do you guys think is the most dangerous? Alcohol, Nicotine, Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine or LSD. In reality, the worst is Alcohol, as it is the only drug that can kill you in withdrawal. Heroin is more addictive than the stimulants, as it not only causes sever depression on par with the stimulants, but it also causes severe pain symptoms as well, where as the others cause limited physical symptoms. LSD and the other hallucinogens, cause the least amount of damage, and can really mess up only people that were prone to serious psychological problems in the first place (schizophrenia).

    If it was up to me, I would have alcohol and nicotine banned as well, but it is not up to me, and I know we tried that a while back as well. Stupid F.D. R. and his I think it's time to have a drink line. The main thing that needs to change are drug arrest laws. You can't put a heroin user behind bars, and you can't kick some kid out of college for doing some Ex. You need to crack down hard on the dealer and distributor networks, not the kid with his dime bag. You need to make it easier and more acceptable for anyone to seek treatment for substance abuse, and do a better job at educating the population on exactly in every way, what drugs do, instead of these bullshit (frying an egg) your brain on drugs commercials.

    Anyway, that is my opinion but I could be wrong.

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    By the way, I apologize, I didn't read the articl, I will later on today. Also, what I meant by cracking down on the dealer/distributor networks, is not tolerating shit like the CIA is doing and other government abuse also.

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