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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark
    I dont believe its the media either, perhaps in countries like the UK were the press is very partisan and the main organ for manufacturing conscent among the governed still but in the US it has been superseded by political advertising for which the parties and their corporate sponsors pay top bill.
    Studies have been done on the influence of the media. The candidate of choice for the national media has an automatic 9% advantage.

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    I would suggest that addressing the gross concentrations of wealth and the centres of power that creates is a prerequisite to any real democracy but there's no way that can result from a situation in which any reform of monopoly capitalism is construed as "socialism" or some other prejorative label which gives rise to emoting and hatred rather than critical thinking.
    Unfortunately, the "donor class" as Rush Limbaugh calls them do exert tremendous influence in elections. Wall Street bankers picked Obama over Hillary in 2008 and The Chamber of Commerce helped establishment Republicans win over the Tea Party grassroots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Unfortunately, the "donor class" as Rush Limbaugh calls them do exert tremendous influence in elections. Wall Street bankers picked Obama over Hillary in 2008 and The Chamber of Commerce helped establishment Republicans win over the Tea Party grassroots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Studies have been done on the influence of the media. The candidate of choice for the national media has an automatic 9% advantage.
    And why is that? Advertising? PR? Marketing? Its what the press provides. At a price.

    Unfortunately, the "donor class" as Rush Limbaugh calls them do exert tremendous influence in elections. Wall Street bankers picked Obama over Hillary in 2008 and The Chamber of Commerce helped establishment Republicans win over the Tea Party grassroots.
    Good on the chamber then.

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    @msg_v2
    I have so many issues with the divisions they chose for that map. I need to make my own to bring reason back to the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chickpea View Post
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    I have so many issues with the divisions they chose for that map. I need to make my own to bring reason back to the world.
    Where would you start? What's the most contentious area for you?

    Unless the main point is that you would argue that any such divisions are absurd. Perhaps the specific map is off, but I think it's incredibly likely that regionalism plays a role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Where would you start? What's the most contentious area for you?
    most of my problems with it are in the yankeedom/midlands/tidewater. which happens to be the area where I grew up, probably I'm feeling so nitpicky about it.

    putting michigan/wisconsin/minnesota together with the northeast and separating them from the other midwestern states was very strange to me. also extending the midlands to the point where maryland is together with the dakotas and nebraska.

    plus they chose the county I grew up in as one of the northern borders of tidewater, and besides being on the coast don't see the connection culturally.

    the west/south seems alright besides putting texas in with the appalachians.

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    I want more parties!!!




    No, but seriously, I do. I don't really like either of the two we've got here in America. I think it could stir the pot and make people less stuck in their way of thinking. Or if they don't adapt then they get voted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I agree. Sounds great but it won't work.
    Here in California we have a top two primary. This was a ballot initiative that was pitched as something that would fix the gridlock and get more moderates elected.

    What it actually did was lead to a lot of races where voters in a given district are left with either two liberal Democrats or two conservative Republicans to choose from in the general election. This typically plays out in one of two ways: one of the candidates drops out leaving the voters of that district with no real choice, or the two candidates feel the need to resort to personal attacks to get ahead because they have similar policy positions.
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    I just happened to be reading material on this lately. What analysis of elections at a local level show (for what that's worth), absence of parties does reduce partisan elements but it just increases the amount that people blindly vote for incumbent politicians.

    The main take away is basically this: Voters often rely on lazy heuristics. Partisanship is one of them. If you take it away, they just put more weight on some other lazy heuristic which isn't necessarily better. I personally think candidate incumbency is even worse.

    Incidentally, voter turnout was also lower in non-partisan elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I want more parties!!!





    Srsly though, I'd rather the political system was reformed in other ways than parties done away. An elected senate, for instance...

    I think the executive would be better if separated from parties. An elected governor general with no party affiliations allowed, perhaps. (Or president with no party affiliation, for the yanks out there.)
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