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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander
    And yet you, yourself, pose the idea that you might be an extremist with the title of your blog thread. I'm struggling to think of circumstances where extremist and unemotional fit together.
    Libertarians are centrists, but we are viewed by those on the fringes of the right and left (islamofacists and socialists) as "extreme". We are the least emotional and most rational demographic on the planet

    It's the history if a great press agent. On the same way as the Russian nation in WW2 it sells itself well, especially to its own people.
    Let's play a little game. I'm name a great 20th century American and you can name any great European in the 20th century. I'll start: Albert Einstein. Your turn.

    Now consider cars, you don't pay for American quality manufacturing. In fact you expect them to be cheaper to make up for it.
    That's mostly true since the 80s (though I think American pick-up trucks are still king) when Detroit was ruined by the unions and bad management at GM. Shall we look at the world market for cars from 1950s through the 70s? When you think about it, Japan and Germany's auto industry owes a huge debt of gratitude to Henry Ford, an American. The American auto industry taught the world how to build cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    When you think about it, Japan and Germany's auto industry owes a huge debt of gratitude to Henry Ford, an American. The American auto industry taught the world how to build cars.
    Japan also owes (and has long honored) a debt of gratitude to W. Edwards Deming, who taught the Japanese the theory and techniques of quality management. Detroit didn't listen to him until the Japanese automakers started kicking their ass on quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Libertarians are centrists, but we are viewed by those on the fringes of the right and left (islamofacists and socialists) as "extreme". We are the least emotional and most rational demographic on the planet
    So, the fringe is more rational than the middle ground? Black and white decisions are the most rational and shades of grey are simply madness.

    It's no wonder you can't construct a coherent argument.

    Let's play a little game. I'm name a great 20th century American and you can name any great European in the 20th century. I'll start: Albert Einstein. Your turn.
    Again with the no definition for "great".

    Also, since when does the last 15 years of someone's life make them entirely part if that country? Are you just about to embark on another dead end piece of dodging to try to validate a shakey position?

    Stephen Hawking.

    That's mostly true since the 80s (though I think American pick-up trucks are still king) when Detroit was ruined by the unions and bad management at GM. Shall we look at the world market for cars from 1950s through the 70s? When you think about it, Japan and Germany's auto industry owes a huge debt of gratitude to Henry Ford, an American. The American auto industry taught the world how to build cars.
    Oh you mean taught people how to take someone else's idea and build it cheaper and faster? Sounds just like the very thing I hear Americans crying about with the Chinese.


    Benz Patent-Motorwagen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As you can see, the Germans invented the first. If you read into it further, Ford made it cheaper and available to a wider market. Just like the cloning industry in China.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander
    So, the fringe is more rational than the middle ground?
    Did I say this? No, I did not. The fringe is by definition extremist and irrational. I don't have to explain islamofascism since that's self-explanatory, but are you aware that Nazism is a leftist movement? Daniel Hannan wrote a piece on it; Hitler was an admirer of Marx and believed in socialism.

    Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, a Prussian who briefly worked for the Nazis before rejecting them and fleeing the country, that he had admired much of the thinking of the revolutionaries he had known as a young man; but he felt that they had been talkers, not doers. “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun,” he boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”.
    Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism

    We have libertarians who want people to be left alone to pursue their dreams and then we have socialists who want to confiscate personal wealth in the form of high taxes and use the power of government to create a nanny state.

    Which is the more extreme position:

    1) Leaving people alone or forcing people to buy healthcare insurance?
    2) Letting people keep their earnings so they can spend it as they wish or taking 20% to 60% of people's earnings?
    3) Letting people go to the school of their choice or forcing kids to go to their neighborhood schools even though it's a terrible school?
    4) Letting people protect themselves with guns or disarming entire cities so the residents can't defend themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander
    Also, since when does the last 15 years of someone's life make them entirely part if that country? Are you just about to embark on another dead end piece of dodging to try to validate a shakey position?
    Einstein and Tesla chose to be Americans. I deliberately picked Einstein because I knew it would irk some of you; he chose America because we are a better nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I deliberately picked Einstein because I knew it would irk some of you; he chose America because we are a better nation.
    A rational individual would know that this is both a meaningless and a counterproductive statement. Unless, I guess, your goal is to antagonize the readers you haven't already.

    ...Oh, I see now. Never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia
    A rational individual would know that this is both a meaningless and a counterproductive statement. Unless, I guess, your goal is to antagonize the readers you haven't already.
    Having fun and being rational are not mutually exclusive. It's harmless needling; if you do feel antagonized, then I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I deliberately picked Einstein because I knew it would irk some of you; he chose America because we are a better nation.
    We are a better nation = Germany was taken over by the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Let's play a little game. I'm name a great 20th century American and you can name any great European in the 20th century. I'll start: Albert Einstein. Your turn.
    Ooh ooh! Are we playing red rover with historical figures???!

    Red rover, red rover
    Let Ghengis come over!


    Or is this more of a "Mormon post-humous baptism" type revisionism?
    And so long as you haven’t experienced this: to die and so to grow,
    you are only a troubled guest on the dark earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus
    We are a better nation = Germany was taken over by the Nazis.
    That's a small part of it. The 2nd Amendment wouldn't have let the government do to its citizens what the Nazis did; I don't see why every nation doesn't have gun rights enshrined in their legal documents.

    I'm too young to have played red rover, but I am aware of the game from the 90s film Now and Then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I don't see why every nation doesn't have gun rights enshrined in their legal documents.
    Some nations value private and public safety just a bit too much to adopt rights as foolish as the second amendement.

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