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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The specialists in the field of disinformation are well paid.
    A talented people.

    The person who is responsibe for the article is not the original writer.
    The responsible person is object of either blackmal or reward. Or both.

    Disinformation is a special branch.
    The security service screens the schools. They look for people who have verbal ability.
    These people are rewarded. They are given security and status.

    The blackmailed person is not the writer of any disinformation.
    She or he is only the signer of it.
    The security organ can not write under its own insignia.

    Georgia sent troops?
    Yes.

    Why?
    Because the peace keepers were under an order.
    What order?

    The order was not to keep the peace any longer.
    I know I have same reaction every time you post something, but I will have to repeat myself here: what are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I couldn't believe my ears when I heard what Russia's excuse was on the radio, they are apparently on a "peacekeeping" mission.

    It looks like they dropped bombs on journalists from Greece, Israel, and Holland.
    YouTube - Russia invades Georgia - 8/8, 2008
    The Soviets did just this in world war two. They essentially told their eurasian neighbours to accept soviet protection, or the consequences of not accepting--racketeering.

    The Russian's have a good deal of influence with the Iranian's. Iran already has misiles capable of reaching Isreal. The Russian's could decide to ship conventional weapons to Iran and even nuclear warheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    The Russian's have a good deal of influence with the Iranian's. Iran already has misiles capable of reaching Isreal. The Russian's could decide to ship conventional weapons to Iran and even nuclear warheads.
    True, but why would they? (Conventional weapons is old news of course, but nukes?) Russia and Iran may be talking and trading, but they're not exactly buddies. And what would Russia gain from letting Iran fire nukes at Israel? What would Iran gain?

    In my opinion Iran doesn't really care all that much about Israel. It's just a convenient hostage to prevent US attacks and a convenient "enemy" to rattle against.

    For those who don't understand why Iran (or Russia for that matter) has been rattling these last few years, consider what the US would do if the Russians suddenly created military bases in Canada, Mexico and Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Okay, let me rephrase it: They are specialists in making everyone think they are specialists, when they are really dumbasses and make everyone laugh their asses off at the folly.

    Sound more realistic?
    Yes.

    Because of the dividing line in the basic philosophy of the state.
    A lesson in history.
    Last edited by wildcat; 08-20-2008 at 02:42 AM.

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    The Soviets did just this in world war two. They essentially told their eurasian neighbours to accept soviet protection, or the consequences of not accepting--racketeering.
    Something Western powers have also done, they've just been more subtle about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Members Only View Post
    Something Western powers have also done, they've just been more subtle about it.
    There exists two diverse kinds of protection.
    The dividing mark is not exactly subtlety.
    Acceptance is not always a choice.

    During the Cold War, defection was a one way street. Why?
    Read the tale of Check Point Charley.

    The Warsaw Pact is history.
    Nato is not.

    There is a difference between the voluntary and the slave.

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    How did the war started in Ossetia?
    The Russian peace keepers were under orders to stand by.

    A deal made between South Ossetia and Russia.
    A provocation.

    Putin started the war.
    He was humiliated in the Kosovo deal.

    It was about Georgia?
    Yes.
    By coindicence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    During the Cold War, defection was a one way street. Why?
    Read the tale of Check Point Charley.


    There is a difference between the voluntary and the slave.
    Oh really?

    Ask somebody who lived in Nicaragua, El Salvador or any of the other South American, puppet governments controlled by the US in the 80's how nice their lives were. They were in as worse a situation (If not worse) as their Soviet controlled counter-parts.

    This was not "Voluntary", the South American people did not volunteer to become victims of US controlled state terrorism. I wonder if the thousands that died volunteered to be murdered under the name of freedom and democracy?

    Not only did thousands die due to terrorism, but thousands more died due to completely amoral US sanctions. These sanctions were eventually lifted in many South American countries when their populaces elected the "correct" candidate; after years of death and destruction I might add. I belive the US Governments official line was "Elect this candidate, and we lift the sanctions, elect this one, and we will we not". Now there is an example of democracy at it's finest, elect our candidate or starve to death.

    The West was no more moral in the handling of it's satellite states than the Soviet Union was. Just because something is filtered through the slogan of "Freedom and Democracy" does not make it so. Democracy is just a word when the people are starving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Members Only View Post
    Oh really?

    Ask somebody who lived in Nicaragua, El Salvador or any of the other South American, puppet governments controlled by the US in the 80's how nice their lives were. They were in as worse a situation (If not worse) as their Soviet controlled counter-parts.
    I actually know someone from Nicaragua, and he assures me that the Sandinistas were worse than the Somozas. And the Soviet-dominated countries definitely had it worse, especially dissidents, Jews, etc. in the Soviet Union itself. I am not excusing U.S. behavior in Latin America, but to suggest that those countries were as badly off as Soviet-dominated nations during the Cold War is simply untrue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I actually know someone from Nicaragua, and he assures me that the Sandinistas were worse than the Somozas. And the Soviet-dominated countries definitely had it worse, especially dissidents, Jews, etc. in the Soviet Union itself. I am not excusing U.S. behavior in Latin America, but to suggest that those countries were as badly off as Soviet-dominated nations during the Cold War is simply untrue.
    I have seen statements from Nicaragua claiming the opposite, I have also seen a comparison of statistics on the living standards under both parties, which came out in favor of the Sandinistas. However, It would be realistically impossible for any of us to claim with 100% accuracy either way which group would have been "better".

    I'll also add that judging life under the Sandinista government would be a reasonably hard thing to do, considering for the majority of their tenure they were subject to US sanctions and a major terrorist campaign; a fair portion of which was even blamed on the Sandinistas themselves, by the way of false flag attacks orchestrated by the CIA.

    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am not excusing U.S. behavior in Latin America, but to suggest that those countries were as badly off as Soviet-dominated nations during the Cold War is simply untrue.
    And nor am I excusing Soviet behavior, It is not a competition. I'm really not interested in determining which countries had it "worse" considering nearly all of the western/eastern satellite states had it very bad; I'd say it's a fairly irrelevant discussion. The West is not the guiding moral light of the world, in the same way the East is not a barbarian hoard chomping at the bit to destroy all our morally perfect western domains. Both sides acted completely unethical in many situations, and both were no worse, or better than each other... and still are to this day.
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