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    my dad made our crib when I was a baby... he loves woodworking and a baby was just an excuse to play with his lathe

    however, even if it's considered the horrible pall of socialism to provide such things here, maybe at least include them for WIC recipients? (a nutritional and health program for low income pregnant and post natal women and their children)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think Americans having to pay for their healthcare is EXACTLY why stuff like this is necessary. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Guess what happens when a poorer citizen with a baby does not have a proper bed for a baby and that baby dies from SIDS? All the money spent on government welfare assisting that woman in the hospitals and doctor offices, all that time the EMT spent at the house evaluating the child, everything potentially donated to that parent. All money wasted because someone didn't have money for something as simple as some proper sleeping clothes, a booklet of information, and a crib.

    I don't really agree with the not-including-bottles thing, I've just known far too many mothers that tried very very hard to breast feed and could not for whatever reason (it'd be better to simply ask a mother if she intends to try or not) but besides that, a kit like this could help so many children and parents out there.

    Americans are pretty firmly set on the idea of "Oh! A baby! I need a baby shower with lots of cute stuff bought brand new!"... It always makes me sick how much money is wasted on babies. When my nephews were smaller, we had them sleep on the floor. A thin mattress on the floor, covered in a wet-protection-bag and a sheet. If they fell out of bed, no problem. If they were running around like mad, no problem. If they were stupid and jumped on the bed no problem. My niece came along, and everyone 'pampered' her getting her a crib and the boys they got a bunk bed. It's a disaster.
    the baby shower thing has gotten worse then when I was kid. when I was little the first born might get a shower and the subsequent children got hand me downs. my brother got a shower i don't think it was as fancy it is now, but I didn't I got my brother's hand me downs (though my mom did buy girl clothes, but i'm sure she dressed me in some of his old clothes knowing her). We used a crib my mom and her brothers slept in the 50s and same with the bassinet, but that was already in the family so it wasn't spending money she just made bumper pads for the sharp corners.

    Oh yeah my mom will often complain about having to go to a baby shower for a second born, she's like i went to the first one's shower. she doesn't really complain complain. She has a gift closet
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    Its not socialism its just a good idea, as is more of the institutional welfare state arrangements of the Scandinavian states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    We actually let babies sleep outside. In winter. It's a common habit here.
    Yes. We believe that freezing babies as much as possible(without killing them ofc) makes them stronger and faster in every way possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    When I was young, we didn't even let babies sleep in the house. We would build tiny little igloos for them and just stuff them in there for the winter, resupplying them with cans of baked beans as circumstances dictated. In the summer, we would train them to pick grapes and other agricultural products. It was that kind of can-do, self-reliant attitude that helped us beat the French in WWIII.

    These days, there's all this pussy crap about how babies "need" shelter and how they're too dumb to learn how to use can openers. Apparently, they "need" to drink water and milk and can't even tolerate a quart of brandy. This kind of crap is making America soft.
    I'm not complaining about Americans being soft and pampered here, despite the fact I think they are. I'm complaining that people spend a fuck ton of money on babies that are completely unnecessary, and yet would cry if a program like this was set up. The government would be called barbaric "making poor people sleep their kids in cardboard boxes like hobos" if I am quoting the random internet quote correctly. I didn't use the idea of my nephews being on the floor to show they were some hardened warriors.. they're spoiled as shit. I use the idea to illustrate that we put them on the floor despite the fact it seems like a 'poor person' option because it was safer. And it was. As soon as beds and cribs were introduced, the first thing the kids did was try to find out the best way to fall from them. It only took one time for the older brother to crawl out of the crib for the younger sister to try to do the same and fall and hit her head, despite having the mattress at the recommended 'safe' level for her age. Turns out she's pretty dang strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    the baby shower thing has gotten worse then when I was kid. when I was little the first born might get a shower and the subsequent children got hand me downs. my brother got a shower i don't think it was as fancy it is now, but I didn't I got my brother's hand me downs (though my mom did buy girl clothes, but i'm sure she dressed me in some of his old clothes knowing her). We used a crib my mom and her brothers slept in the 50s and same with the bassinet, but that was already in the family so it wasn't spending money she just made bumper pads for the sharp corners.

    Oh yeah my mom will often complain about having to go to a baby shower for a second born, she's like i went to the first one's shower. she doesn't really complain complain. She has a gift closet
    I've been to far too many. I hate them all. And they're all the same. Useless cutesy clothes and toys that do little to nothing to benefit the actual child but make the mom all happy and cutesy. Instead of getting her a package of diaper materials to use, it's a shirt the kid will be big enough to wear for like 5 months saying 'IM MOMMYS FAVORITELOLZ' brand new that will never sell for anything more than 25 cents at a garage sale the moment it's pulled off of the hangar. Which I guess is somewhat useful? In that moment? But also it just feels like a really weird mommy-birthday party and the usefulness of it ends there too. Some stuff is useful.. but generally speaking it is blown far out of proportion.*

    Not just baby showers, but children costs all over the place.


    *If you had a practical baby shower, please don't whine about how my generalization sucks because you didn't do that. 1, I don't know you, 2, you might be the anomaly in this situation who knows, and 3, I know there's exceptions to things everywhere. I'm clearly not talking about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its not socialism its just a good idea, as is more of the institutional welfare state arrangements of the Scandinavian states.
    Sometimes I think my country works on socialism points. They're like cool points, but more vague in definition and arbitrary in what actions and thoughts earn howevermany points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Not just baby showers, but children costs all over the place.
    There is no limit how much money you can spend on your kids. Except minimum limit, which is everything you have. If you don't, they make you feel like bad parent. I mean, of course you'll have to get that expensive branded crawling helmet, or else you are reckless parent and your kids gonna get some serious brain damage.

    Luckily for me, our relatives have plenty of kids, so we get a lots of used clothes for free. We only buy few if there's a discount and they are great looking (I guess my wife has to do it to feel like a good mother ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    There is no limit how much money you can spend on your kids. Except minimum limit, which is everything you have. If you don't, they make you feel like bad parent. I mean, of course you'll have to get that expensive branded crawling helmet, or else you are reckless parent and your kids gonna get some serious brain damage.

    Luckily for me, our relatives have plenty of kids, so we get a lots of used clothes for free. We only buy few if there's a discount and they are great looking (I guess my wife has to do it to feel like a good mother ).

    BBC News - The babies who nap in sub-zero temperatures
    Yeah, I mean not to devolve the thread into 'I survived' talk, I didn't get clothes of my own for a long time bought from a store.. but where my parents went wrong is where many go wrong--when they DID have extra money, they didn't wisely invest it into longevity. They wanted their children to have the THINGS they didn't have, and so they spent money on things. All of those things are useless to me now-a-days, and my family like many other poor families lack land, home, and tradition to pass on to the next generation.

    I'm all about resource welfare. I think resource welfare is far cheaper on the government than monetary handouts. This sort of concept in the OP is precisely the kind of thing I believe benefits everyone--from tax payers to those in need of donations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I'm not complaining about Americans being soft and pampered here, despite the fact I think they are. I'm complaining that people spend a fuck ton of money on babies that are completely unnecessary, and yet would cry if a program like this was set up. The government would be called barbaric "making poor people sleep their kids in cardboard boxes like hobos" if I am quoting the random internet quote correctly. I didn't use the idea of my nephews being on the floor to show they were some hardened warriors.. they're spoiled as shit. I use the idea to illustrate that we put them on the floor despite the fact it seems like a 'poor person' option because it was safer. And it was. As soon as beds and cribs were introduced, the first thing the kids did was try to find out the best way to fall from them. It only took one time for the older brother to crawl out of the crib for the younger sister to try to do the same and fall and hit her head, despite having the mattress at the recommended 'safe' level for her age. Turns out she's pretty dang strong.



    I've been to far too many. I hate them all. And they're all the same. Useless cutesy clothes and toys that do little to nothing to benefit the actual child but make the mom all happy and cutesy. Instead of getting her a package of diaper materials to use, it's a shirt the kid will be big enough to wear for like 5 months saying 'IM MOMMYS FAVORITELOLZ' brand new that will never sell for anything more than 25 cents at a garage sale the moment it's pulled off of the hangar. Which I guess is somewhat useful? In that moment? But also it just feels like a really weird mommy-birthday party and the usefulness of it ends there too. Some stuff is useful.. but generally speaking it is blown far out of proportion.*

    Not just baby showers, but children costs all over the place.


    *If you had a practical baby shower, please don't whine about how my generalization sucks because you didn't do that. 1, I don't know you, 2, you might be the anomaly in this situation who knows, and 3, I know there's exceptions to things everywhere. I'm clearly not talking about you.
    yeah that's true, my mom gives a hand puppet or a book. something unique. my cousin told my mom she gets the best gifts for her children (my cousin has 6 year old twin girls) have you ever heard of heartsong?

    my brothers friend had a little girl like 6-8 months ago and he's said he's not gonna buy her expensive things until she's older and can remember and appreciate them as she has so much fun with free stuff like boxes and bells.
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