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    @DiscoBiscuit, @Tellenbach Take a look at this, guys: BBC News - Bristol school apology after UKIP appears in far-right list

    The real point we should take from the article is that children are being taught that certain political views are unacceptable from a very early age. This is what really frustrates me; not allowing people to grow and make their own decisions. You can imagine how the hive here would react if only the names of the groups listed were replaced with, say, Islamic ones, and similar reasoning was given.

    Therefore, I believe that the main motivation for political correctness is not justice (however misguided), but fear. The fear that history might repeat itself, and that their vision is fundamentally irrational and cannot be realised without coercion. I can sense that the liberal establishment is dripping wet with these neuroses.
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    never been a fan of political correctness, i think its bs. Never considered it was to discount the others argument. Retards are retards are retards not intellectually disabled ok they are, but if I say "Yeah man that dude is retarded" and he actually is i don't mean it offensively just factually. like "what's wrong with him?" "oh he's retarded that's all"
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    @Kullervo This is why it's vital to check the course material of your child's school and this is also why lefties oppose school choice. They want to run re-education/brainwashing camps instead of teaching critical thinking. You are correct about political correctness; it is an intimidation tactic used to silence criticism of obvious stupidity and irrationality (global warming, socialism, statism, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Kullervo This is why it's vital to check the course material of your child's school and this is also why lefties oppose school choice. They want to run re-education/brainwashing camps instead of teaching critical thinking. You are correct about political correctness; it is an intimidation tactic used to silence criticism of obvious stupidity and irrationality (global warming, socialism, statism, etc).
    This isn't even remotely close to accurate. You're burning hatred of anything even slightly left just leads you to believe that everyone who holds leftist views is evil, morally corrupt, and trying to destroy the world. Very very very few people actually seek that, and they can be found amongst all parties when they are found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard
    You're burning hatred of anything even slightly left just leads you to believe that everyone who holds leftist views is evil, morally corrupt, and trying to destroy the world.
    Some of them are evil (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot) and some of them are corrupt (Chicago politicians) but I don't think most American lefties are evil. They are just dangerously misquided and their irrational beliefs have indeed ruined many, many lives (the current economic state, Detroit's educational system, the Veterans Affairs Administration, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Some of them are evil (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot) and some of them are corrupt (Chicago politicians) but I don't think most American lefties are evil. They are just dangerously misquided and their irrational beliefs have indeed ruined many, many lives (the current economic state, Detroit's educational system, the Veterans Affairs Administration, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc.).
    I did not add that to the list, but I should have. And no, those were not due to "lefties". I am not going to debate you over it though as you are completely and utterly impervious to debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    This isn't even remotely close to accurate. You're burning hatred of anything even slightly left just leads you to believe that everyone who holds leftist views is evil, morally corrupt, and trying to destroy the world. Very very very few people actually seek that, and they can be found amongst all parties when they are found.
    We're not talking about left wing views per se. You'll find that political correctness is, to some extent, adhered to by all politicians, especially around race and immigration issues. Whether a politician want taxes to be higher or lower is irrelevant, if he speaks out his career will be over (and in some countries, may be imprisoned).

    As Disco and I have pointed out, universities and public schools have much the same problem. What I have tried to do is show you all a very blatant example of political intrusions into education. Children are being told not to adopt ideologies or vote for parties that the state fears, and in this case there is no attempt to keep the agenda subtle. Social shame and fear of isolation are being used as additional incentives. Whatever your political inclinations you must realise such tactics are immoral. Nonetheless, "racism talks" are commonplace in schools all over the Western world. Universities are a whole different kettle of fish, that I may get into later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    We're not talking about left wing views per se. You'll find that political correctness is, to some extent, adhered to by all politicians, regardless of whether they want taxes to be higher or lower.

    As Disco has shown, universities and public schools have an even stronger hive mentality. What I have tried to do is show you all a very blatant example of political intrusions into education. Children are being told not to adopt ideologies or vote for parties that the state fears. Social shame and fear of isolation are being used as additional incentives. This is blatantly immoral, but these kinds of discussions are commonplace in schools all over the Western world. Universities are a whole different kettle of fish, that I may get into later.
    Political correctness has a place and a purpose, and like anything can be taken too far. As an example, the whole "mansplaining" and it's spinoffs makes me roll my eyes so far they often end up in the back of my head. I however, do not see it being used as a deliberate tool to regulate what "ok and not ok" to believe. It honestly sounds like fear mongering and reactionary panic. It might be done subconsciously though.

    With that said, some views ARE bad and ARE harmful, and I do not think it is bad whatsoever to educate people on what is good to believe, and what it is not. Everyone does this anyway, so I find it completely silly to be upset over. It is valid to get upset over though when it is a blatent lie, or factually wrong.

    Also, you just don't like hive mentalities. They are not inherently bad like many people want them to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Political correctness has a place and a purpose, and like anything can be taken too far. As an example, the whole "mansplaining" and it's spinoffs makes me roll my eyes so far they often end up in the back of my head. I however, do not see it being used as a deliberate tool to regulate what "ok and not ok" to believe. It honestly sounds like fear mongering and reactionary panic. It might be done subconsciously though.
    Why is there such a sudden and strong reaction from the liberal elite when any prominent person makes politically incorrect statements? They're afraid of the public listening and taking note. Also if you have talked to people involved in left wing (in the US, Green and left Democrats) parties, you'll find that many of them genuinely believe in regulating thoughts. Political correctness is fundamentally driven by fear and need to control people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    With that said, some views ARE bad and ARE harmful, and I do not think it is bad whatsoever to educate people on what is good to believe, and what it is not. Everyone does this anyway, so I find it completely silly to be upset over. It is valid to get upset over though when it is a blatent lie, or factually wrong.
    This is very dangerous territory to explore. It is up to parents to instruct their children morally, not state educators - many of whom are anti natal and do not have children themselves.

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    Also, you just don't like hive mentalities. They are not inherently bad like many people want them to be.
    No, I don't, regardless of whether the mentality favours me politically. I have an instinctive aversion to lots of people chanting slogans with zeal, whether they're men in uniform or motley "anti-racist" students. If you can't look at your own belief system and see its weaknesses, you have become corrupted by it.

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