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    Sadly, Bernie Mac died yesterday. Very unfortunate, he was funny as hell. I've been reading stuff about him and I noticed that many articles mention his recent kerfuffle at a Democratic fundraiser in July of this year. He evidently made an off-color joke about women, sexual dysfunction, and menopause. I haven't looked at the joke itself so I can't comment on the content of the joke.

    But what I find interesting is that Barack Obama's camp issued a statement denouncing what he said the very next day. About two weeks ago Obama's campaign also denounced a song Ludacris made calling Hilliary Clinton a bitch.

    Why does it seem Barack Obama suddenly responsible for every comment (asinine or no) prominent black people make that is related to this election? This started with the whole Rev. Wright debacle back in February. Why is this necessary? Do people really believe that he holds these opinions or is he having to play it extremely safe in order to not scare off white voters? White voters would you associate these comments with Obama's beliefs and would this turn you off towards him? Would comments like this change your vote if you are undecided about voting for him? Would you think he agreed with these remarks if he didn't publicly denounce them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Sadly, Bernie Mac died yesterday. Very unfortunate, he was funny as hell. I've been reading stuff about him and I noticed that many articles mention his recent kerfuffle at a Democratic fundraiser in July of this year. He evidently made an off-color joke about women, sexual dysfunction, and menopause. I haven't looked at the joke itself so I can't comment on the content of the joke.

    But what I find interesting is that Barack Obama's camp issued a statement denouncing what he said the very next day. About two weeks ago Obama's campaign also denounced a song Ludacris made calling Hilliary Clinton a bitch.

    Why does it seem Barack Obama suddenly responsible for every comment (asinine or no) prominent black people make that is related to this election? This started with the whole Rev. Wright debacle back in February. Why is this necessary? Do people really believe that he holds these opinions or is he having to play it extremely safe in order to not scare off white voters? White voters would you associate these comments with Obama's beliefs and would this turn you off towards him? Would comments like this change your vote if you are undecided about voting for him? Would you think he agreed with these remarks if he didn't publicly denounce them?
    Well, for the obvious reason because he needs to win over Clinton supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algora J View Post
    Well, for the obvious reason because he needs to win over Clinton supporters.
    The obvious reasons being? Spell it out for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Why does it seem Barack Obama suddenly responsible for every comment (asinine or no) prominent black people make that is related to this election? This started with the whole Rev. Wright debacle back in February. Why is this necessary? Do people really believe that he holds these opinions or is he having to play it extremely safe in order to not scare off white voters? White voters would you associate these comments with Obama's beliefs and would this turn you off towards him? Would comments like this change your vote if you are undecided about voting for him? Would you think he agreed with these remarks if he didn't publicly denounce them?
    The same reason that every other politician will distance himself or herself from controversy: they are trying to win. That is what matters. Why did McCain and his people distance themselves from Phil Gramm's "nation of whiners" comment? The guy actually had a good point, but the appearance of not caring about people having a rough time economically would be conflated with McCain, and that is a recipe for losing swing states.
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    Shit, now Isaac Hayes has died.

    pm Obama wants the white lady votes and doesn't want the scary black men to chase them off. I Don't know how much simpler it can be explained. Snoop you're next!
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    Better safe than sorry?

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    My husband's theory, if I have it right, is that Obama is not playing to win, he's playing not to lose. Considering the way a lot of people feel about the Bush administration and how little McCain's administration is likely to differ from it, it might not be the worst strategy in the world. I think he's just playing it very, very safe.

    I was irritated about Rev. Wright basically attempting to sabotage him. Bernie Mac's stuff is only a problem because of doing it at a Democratic fundraiser (guilt by association).

    The Ludacris thing never even made it on my radar. I guess since he and Hilary had been rivals he feels it is important to defend her so it will appear there is no animosity? I wasn't a Hilary supporter, so I'm not sure what I'd think about it if I was.

    McCain is going to run a very ugly, muddy campaign. Obama is trying to avoid any appearance of mud-slinging. I think he's wanting the contrast to be very, very obvious.

    FWIW, Obama would have to have a pretty horrible skeleton fall out of his closet in order for me not to vote for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    My husband's theory, if I have it right, is that Obama is not playing to win, he's playing not to lose.
    Ha. He must be a chess player.

    Considering the way a lot of people feel about the Bush administration and how little McCain's administration is likely to differ from it, it might not be the worst strategy in the world. I think he's just playing it very, very safe.

    I was irritated about Rev. Wright basically attempting to sabotage him. Bernie Mac's stuff is only a problem because of doing it at a Democratic fundraiser (guilt by association).

    The Ludacris thing never even made it on my radar. I guess since he and Hilary had been rivals he feels it is important to defend her so it will appear there is no animosity? I wasn't a Hilary supporter, so I'm not sure what I'd think about it if I was.

    McCain is going to run a very ugly, muddy campaign. Obama is trying to avoid any appearance of mud-slinging. I think he's wanting the contrast to be very, very obvious.

    FWIW, Obama would have to have a pretty horrible skeleton fall out of his closet in order for me not to vote for him.
    Well it appears to me that Obama is attempting to win over middle Americans by his way of using the tabloids and publicity to appeal to everyday common aspects of American life. I think that's much smarter than McCain's strategy of seeming elitist and not appealing to popular media.

    Hillary Clinton went up significantly in the polls when she went on Saturday Night Live. It seems Americans are persuaded more by popular media than straightforward journalism/ debating. The Presidential race is above all, a popularity contest after all.

    If Obama were aiming not to lose, he should gain Oprah Winfrey as an strong alley. That woman is probably one of the most powerful people in America who has a public stature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    McCain is going to run a very ugly, muddy campaign. Obama is trying to avoid any appearance of mud-slinging. I think he's wanting the contrast to be very, very obvious.
    Sorry, but that's a crock. Obama has been hammering McCain for awhile now, you're seeing it through Obama-colored glasses. Neither campaign is any "uglier" than the other. They're both pretty typical politicians with campaigns run by very typical strategists. Both conventions will be typical conventions, and the debates will be typical debates. Obama can pretend he's some sort of new agent for change if he wants to, but anybody who really pays attention to politics knows it's a load of manure.

    And in the end, McCain will win and when all you Obamanoids are crying and saying "Why? How did this happen?" I've giving you the answer right now. That's typical politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Sorry, but that's a crock. Obama has been hammering McCain for awhile now, you're seeing it through Obama-colored glasses. Neither campaign is any "uglier" than the other. They're both pretty typical politicians with campaigns run by very typical strategists. Both conventions will be typical conventions, and the debates will be typical debates. Obama can pretend he's some sort of new agent for change if he wants to, but anybody who really pays attention to politics knows it's a load of manure.

    And in the end, McCain will win and when all you Obamanoids are crying and saying "Why? How did this happen?" I've giving you the answer right now. That's typical politics.
    Wait a minute, you are saying that people who really pay attention to politics will see through Obama's campaign and vote based on McCain's superior policies? What country are we talking about again?
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