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    Every captured looter should have one digit on each hand cut off rather than face jail time. They are the dregs of society, with minimum chance of rehabilitation. I would say that they didn't deserve the attention of the prison system, but that would be presupposing the American prison system is well-functioning in its current state. Losing two fingers is preferable to both the criminal (short-term physical anguish is better than years of psychological anguish) as well as the State.

    Maybe the above story in Tellebanch's post made me get a bit carried away.
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    when few have too much and fewer too little.’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Every captured looter should have one digit on each hand cut off rather than face jail time. They are the dregs of society, with minimum chance of rehabilitation. I would say that they didn't deserve the attention of the prison system, but that would be presupposing the American prison system is well-functioning in its current state. Losing two fingers is preferable to both the criminal (short-term physical anguish is better than years of psychological anguish) as well as the State.

    Maybe the above story in Tellebanch's post made me get a bit carried away.
    You're going to be disappointed to hear this, but Missouri voted to ban Sharia law a few years ago.

    Missouri House votes to ban Sharia law : News

    I don't think Islamic punishments would be well received in Missouri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You're going to be disappointed to hear this, but Missouri voted to ban Sharia law a few years ago.

    Missouri House votes to ban Sharia law : News

    I don't think Islamic punishments would be well received in Missouri.
    Do you think corporal punishment is an invention of the Middle-East, restricted solely to Sharia law? Your Most Revered Founding Fathers were advocates of corporal punishment; most notably Washington and his lashes.
    The attempts by hypocrites to dehumanize Muslims in their imaginary war of ideology are never-ending. From Syria:

    ‘Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.’

    ‘And we will have made great strides in equality,
    when few have too much and fewer too little.’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Do you think corporal punishment is an invention of the Middle-East, restricted solely to Sharia law? Your Most Revered Founding Fathers were advocates of corporal punishment; most notably Washington and his lashes.
    The removal of body parts as punishment is pretty specific to the Middle East. I don't know why you would propose such a barbaric practice.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Default Black GIs fire on their white Officers in Townsville, Australia, in 1942

    American race riots are not limited to Ferguson, USA, for in Townsville, Queensland, Australia, in 1942 black GIs turned their guns on their white officers*.

    The Australian Army was called in to put down the black mutiny, but the Australian soldiers refused to fire upon Americans black or white.

    The American President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, sent an envoy, Lyndon B. Johnson, to settle the black mutiny, who himself became President later. So a black mutiny at the height of WW II was considered top priority.

    And the black mutiny in Townsville, Australia, was hushed up in the interests of winning the war.

    * To see the black mutineers and their white officers click on Secret documents lift lid on WWII mutiny by US troops in north Queensland - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't know why you would propose such a barbaric practice.
    Because the type of looting we are witnessing is driven by greed and not desperation. There is a world of difference between looting food to survive and looting plasma TVs because you see a chance to get away with it. There should be no empathizing with the perpetrators. They are scum. The criminal act comes with relatively low risk of being caught, but it results in significant material losses and plants seeds of anarchism in the local populace. The low risk of getting caught must be counterbalanced with a punishment perceived to be severe enough to function as pre-crime deterrent or post-conviction deterrent, while at the same time not making more of a liability out of the perpetrator. We might introduce some degree of self-determination to the process: Lose a toe, a finger, or receive 50 lashes. Large part of the process could even be automated - from conviction to justice in under 30 minutes.

    The US justice system is a complete and utter failure at rehabilitating criminals, necessitating the return to more simple ways of discouraging anti-social behaviour. Locking them up for years to socialize with their peers, hoping they realize the err of their ways, on the State's dime has proven inefficient; these people might be receptive to more punitive consequences for their actions. It's not optimal - definitely not the pinnacle of civilization - but it's what you can get when your nation's justice system is incapable of reaching more sophisticated facets of what makes a Man than what He fears.
    ‘Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.’

    ‘And we will have made great strides in equality,
    when few have too much and fewer too little.’.

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    Just yesterday there was large police operation in a town next to mine when someone was seen carrying a gun in the open. Few hours and many police cars later it turned out to be a 14 year old boy with an airsoft gun. No one got hurt, the boy got chastised for carrying weapons in the open and everyone went home. This happened because finnish policemen very rarely fire their weapons. And they don't since the level of threat they face in their daily life is very low. But make no.mistakes, Finland is still a violent country compared to other nordics. We just don't fight fire with fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    Just yesterday there was large police operation in a town next to mine when someone was seen carrying a gun in the open. Few hours and many police cars later it turned out to be a 14 year old boy with an airsoft gun. No one got hurt, the boy got chastised for carrying weapons in the open and everyone went home. This happened because finnish policemen very rarely fire their weapons. And they don't since the level of threat they face in their daily life is very low. But make no.mistakes, Finland is still a violent country compared to other nordics. We just don't fight fire with fire.
    Yeah, we're not so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Because the type of looting we are witnessing is driven by greed and not desperation. There is a world of difference between looting food to survive and looting plasma TVs because you see a chance to get away with it. There should be no empathizing with the perpetrators. They are scum. The criminal act comes with relatively low risk of being caught, but it results in significant material losses and plants seeds of anarchism in the local populace. The low risk of getting caught must be counterbalanced with a punishment perceived to be severe enough to function as pre-crime deterrent or post-conviction deterrent, while at the same time not making more of a liability out of the perpetrator. We might introduce some degree of self-determination to the process: Lose a toe, a finger, or receive 50 lashes. Large part of the process could even be automated - from conviction to justice in under 30 minutes.
    You could say the same about the fraud on Wall Street. In fact, that fraud led to a global economic collapse. That's far greater than any potential consequences from the looting in Ferguson. Do you support similar punishments for them?

    What sort of punishment would your prescribe for Alexander and Clapper, who lied before Congress about spying on all Americans? They committed perjury and violated the Constitutional rights of 300+ million people because they knew it was unlikely anything would happen to them if they got caught.

    The US justice system is a complete and utter failure at rehabilitating criminals, necessitating the return to more simple ways of discouraging anti-social behaviour. Locking them up for years to socialize with their peers, hoping they realize the err of their ways, on the State's dime has proven inefficient; these people might be receptive to more punitive consequences for their actions. It's not optimal - definitely not the pinnacle of civilization - but it's what you can get when your nation's justice system is incapable of reaching more sophisticated facets of what makes a Man than what He fears.
    What do you do with the people who would inevitably be wrongfully convicted of looting?
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    New York Times Publishes Darren Wilson’s Address

    Officer Wilson and Officer Spradling own a home together on **** in ***** a St. Louis suburb about a half hour drive from Ferguson.
    Does the New York Times wants violence against Officer Wilson? Why else would they publish where he lived? I see this behavior as more evidence that the liberal elite wants to stir up racial tensions for political gain. Such despicable vermin at the NYT.

    NBC News did something similar when they attempted to racialize the Travon Martin shooting by editing the 911 call in order to portray Zimmerman as a racist.
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