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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I hope some NTs agree with me, really I do. So alone, always alone...
    NF here, and I agree with you.

    Yes, I've seen that episode of Bullshit and it's hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I hope some NTs agree with me, really I do. So alone, always alone...
    Alone in disgust with PETA? Doubtful. They are a bunch of fruit loops that hurt their own cause.
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    Oranges are orange whereas apples are green. There, I compared apples and oranges. Now can I work for PETA?
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    I'll eat PETA if they don't shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I hope some NTs agree with me, really I do. So alone, always alone...
    I generally try not to agree with you.

    But I will say that all organizations attempt to persuade folks to either, buy something, believe something, consider a certain position, or to stop something, etc. Some are just more subtle with their message, while others border on propaganda. How they frame their message is up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    I generally try not to agree with you.

    But I will say that all organizations attempt to persuade folks to either, buy something, believe something, consider a certain position, or to stop something, etc. Some are just more subtle with their message, while others border on propaganda. How they frame their message is up to them.
    Yes, yes...So, In other words, "People say things, we call these things messages, they can be about anything. Sometimes people work for organizations. People and organizations are both things."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Yes, yes...So, In other words, "People say things, we call these things messages, they can be about anything. Sometimes people work for organizations. People and organizations are both things."
    No. There doesn't need to be any other words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    No. There doesn't need to be any other words.
    I think that was my point.

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    PETA is ridiculous.

    If they really believed animals were the same as humans then:

    1) why do they care only about cute animals? What about earthworms and snails? They're ugly, so who cares??? So only save cute humans? Don't care about ugly humans??

    2) Why don't they care about bestiality? What? Animal rape is okay then? They clearly do not care about the animal's right to say no to rape.

    See even from their own perspective, they make no sense to me.

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    There is an amusing irony with PETA. The problem with animals is that they cannot fulfil the responsibilities that come with having rights. The same is true of many humans, such as the mentally ill, young or elderly. There is one other group, criminals. That PETA activists so often end up in that group is amusing, they are stripped of their rights because they are unable to fulfil the responsbilities which those rights bring, not so unlike the animals that they are trying to help.

    I qualify the above by noting that animals do have rights in proportion to their responsibilities, again not unlike the mentally ill, young and old. These groupd do not have the full rights of an ordinary adult human, and are often placed under the stewardship of one who is granted authority to make decisions and take responsbility on their behalf.
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