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    ^He pronks, too! Magic Poriferan's Avatar
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    While the two parties bring each other down in pursuit of a power monopoly, they both never the less manage to slowly but surely drag the whole country in certain general directions, most importantly a very corporate friendly direction. The moneyed interests of this country like things this way. They like using the mechanics of the electoral process and the offices themselves to leverage lawmakers into passing friendly laws, while on the other hand letting every other ideological point turn into as much of a stalemate as possible so nothing else gets done. At this point, nearly every lawmaker in the USA can be considered one of two things, a mercenary, or a patsy. Any other sort of lawmaker is too rare to be of significance.

    The media, for its part, is just a handful of companies looking for a profit. They like whatever gets them a profit. These eternal, unproductive struggles between parties crank out good stories for them, so the media is happy with this.

    So on theory there is the voter, but what does the voter do? The American voter lives in a system designed to facilitate their ignorance and apathy. There is no power in this country that is comfortable with informed and concerned citizens. The media spews garbage. The education system is left in disarray. The dealings of the government, the corporations, and what they do together, are all shrouded in secrecy. You can blame the people, but there's a bigger picture as to why the people are this way. It's not exactly an accident.

    For these problems to be resolved, the USA would require both radical reforms to the electoral process and public service, as well as radical reforms to policies on information itself. Otherwise, voters will be not be informed enough and the vote will not count for enough anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    For these problems to be resolved, the USA would require both radical reforms to the electoral process and public service, as well as radical reforms to policies on information itself. Otherwise, voters will be not be informed enough and the vote will not count for enough anyway.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Oh, you want some new legislation that will take more control of the electoral process and information?

    I'm sure that would work out wonderfully.

    I can think of lots of examples of countries with firm control of the electoral process and information.
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    I vote we beg Britain to take us back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    who would get the nukes then?
    The United States of GOP would most likely seize control of them since they are warmongers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Showbread View Post
    I vote we beg Britain to take us back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showbread View Post
    I vote we beg Britain to take us back.
    I'm not sure you'd enjoy that, the politics of the mainstream conservatives here and the liberal party hacks they need in order to form a government (they arent actually elected and liberal voters have indicated they would not have voted for the liberal party to go into coalition with the conservatives, as it has taken a betrayal of most of the liberal pre-election policies and constituencies) are solidly tea party policies.

    The only populist alternative is a xenophobic and more right wing party called the UK independence party.

    In the eighties the left wing parties dealt with all their militant tendencies, the right wing parties evolved into their militant tendencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm not sure you'd enjoy that, the politics of the mainstream conservatives here and the liberal party hacks they need in order to form a government (they arent actually elected and liberal voters have indicated they would not have voted for the liberal party to go into coalition with the conservatives, as it has taken a betrayal of most of the liberal pre-election policies and constituencies) are solidly tea party policies.
    With the exception of guys like Daniel Hannan there's little in common between the Tories and the Tea Party. The Tories are more akin to establishment republicans. The Tea Party is more like UKIP since, as you mentioned, they're both populist movements.

    You're much more likely to see a tea party person quote Farage than Cameron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    With the exception of guys like Daniel Hannan there's little in common between the Tories and the Tea Party. The Tories are more akin to establishment republicans. The Tea Party is more like UKIP since, as you mentioned, they're both populist movements.

    You're much more likely to see a tea party person quote Farage than Cameron.
    Farage is more quotable but only because Farage is more populist.

    Did you know that Thatcher's poll tax in the eighties was an attempt to move towards a flat tax? That the UK conservative party has wanted to fund all public services through commercial taxes, sales taxes and some sort of flat tax or household/head of population tax while abolishing all inheritance taxes, income taxes or other sorts of taxes.

    Its all going to require a massive amount of cuts in public services, the end of publically funded health services and national insurance schemes, the end of publically funded social services, education and even policing. The London Olympics were very, very, very political, I dont believe that anyone has properly evaluated just how polical they were yet, because there was an insistence upon private security, private sponsorship, private and market solutions to every problem.

    Even when it was proven that security firms were unprepared, inadequate and had to be replaced or assisted by UK services personnel. Despite the fact that it was luck and good fortune that there wasnt any terror attack the whole thing was chalked up to a success for private/market providers.

    UKIP is only more explicit about it than the conservative party.

    I could be mistaken but that all sounds more Tea Party than it would republicans. Although like I said the right wing globally hasnt ever dealt with its militant tendencies, they never gave up on their own utopian visions or politically branded perfectionism to be approximated in policy or reality. So perhaps Tea Party and Republicans are so many shades of the same opinion.

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