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    Quote Originally Posted by jscrothers View Post
    Definitely.

    His video wasn't about a single off-the-cuff gaffe about the stupidity of the American people; it was about how he believes that the law's lack of transparency and comprehensibility was a good thing because, well whatever, it allowed the law to be passed.
    That happens a LOT. Was just listening to a This American Life story about how this exact sort of thing led to universal pre-K in Oklahoma:
    Getting Away With It | This American Life

    This is such a typical political move that I'm actually surprised that people are outraged by it. This is how the system works. You sell -- and adapt* -- legislation however you can, to get it to pass.


    *Per Jonathan Gruber: "It would have made more sense to do Obamacare the way we did in Massachusetts, which would be to just give people money to offset the cost of their health insurance... That was politically infeasible and so instead it was done through the tax code."
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    Here's the health care picture book Gruber made for stupid Americans.
    You can't make this crap up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Here's the health care picture book Gruber made for stupid Americans.
    Hm. His coloring book talks quite a bit about himself.



    "Color me in. Me! Me. I'm John Gruber, if you didn't know that already. I have credentials."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    This is such a typical political move that I'm actually surprised that people are outraged by it. This is how the system works. You sell -- and adapt* -- legislation however you can, to get it to pass.
    The good news keeps rolling in
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    How is this a scandal? Obfuscation is one of the most basic tools used in politics, by both parties, and because the American voter is either gullible or fanatic, i.e. stupid, it will continue to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    How is this a scandal? Obfuscation is one of the most basic tools used in politics, by both parties, and because the American voter is either gullible or fanatic, i.e. stupid, it will continue to be.
    It's a scandal because they very well might have obfuscated themselves out of workable system if SCOTUS actually holds them to their word... unlike the last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    It's a scandal because they very well might have obfuscated themselves out of workable system if SCOTUS actually holds them to their word... unlike the last time.

    King v. Burwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    If that is the case, I would expect you to be cheerful. Do you welcome this scandal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    If that is the case, I would expect you to be cheerful. Do you welcome this scandal?
    My attitude isn't really relevant whatever it might be.

    I wish this gigantic clusterf$&@ that nobody really wants was never forced on us to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    My attitude isn't really relevant whatever it might be.
    I take that as a yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I take that as a yes.
    Lol. [...]

    You should go into politics.
    Last edited by skylights; 11-12-2014 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Personal insult removed
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