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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Thought this was a useful detailed experiential view of the Hazmat suit donning/doffing process:
    I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola*|*Abby Norman
    We got an extremely detailed alert/info page at work about handling possible Ebola cases. They are requiring people to be properly fitted and getting ready to do drills. Doffing is super difficult and usually where contamination occurs.

    We actually have had a few unusual cases (malaria, schistosomiasis) at our hospital because the surrounding area has a high number of people that have moved to the US and frequently travel back to their country of origin to visit family and friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    This is a false statement. Iceland and Western Samoa avoided the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic using a travel ban. Nigeria has avoided an ebola outbreak by closing its borders.
    I'm sure the tiny islands of Iceland and Western Samoa had to stop a lot of commercial airliners from landing back in...1918. Western Samoa should be the model for US policy, right?

    Nigeria isn't the only nation in the region with a travel ban. Nigeria's success has absolutely nothing to do with its travel ban and everything to do with its government's superior response in quarantining and treating Ebola patients. They've been far more competent than the fools in Texas.

    This is the "If it's not perfection, then it's worthless" argument. What's the incidence of SARS in nations that have a travel ban vs nations that don't have a travel ban; that is the question.
    Canada had a travel ban. They had 251 SARS cases and 44 deaths. The US did not have a travel ban. We had 27 cases and 0 deaths. Clearly Canada's travel ban worked.

    No irony here. This is a national security issue and a proper role for government.
    If you honestly believe that, you are a neo-con. Neo-cons love to label things as a "national security issue" to expand the power government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus
    Canada had a travel ban. They had 251 SARS cases and 44 deaths. The US did not have a travel ban. We had 27 cases and 0 deaths. Clearly Canada's travel ban worked.
    Thanks. This is exactly the type of data that we should be looking at, but I also want to know how many of the 251 SARS cases in Canada existed before the travel ban.

    Neo-cons love to label things as a "national security issue" to expand the power government.
    Public health and containment of infectious diseases is clearly a national security issue; if we get a couple thousand ebola cases around the country, it'd wreck our economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Nigeria has done an incredible job of limiting the spread of Ebola
    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Nigeria's success has absolutely nothing to do with its travel ban and everything to do with its government's superior response in quarantining and treating Ebola patients. They've been far more competent than the fools in Texas.
    If Nigeria's so great, why'd they seal off their borders?

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    I think the danger is ebola getting into Asia where we have many hundreds of millions of people with poor or non existent health services. And once in Asia it would be impossible to stop it spreading to the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    I think the danger is ebola getting into Asia where we have many hundreds of millions of people with poor or non existent health services. And once in Asia it would be impossible to stop it spreading to the rest of the world.
    But isn't there something to be said for population control?

    What is the Earth's carrying capacity?

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    So. I went to a presentation from my school's pharmacy program. The presenter said a travel ban is not really supported by the scientific community, for many of the reasons people have discussed above. She said that the best approach is to provide support for defeating the disease in West Africa.
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