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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    What was the point he was trying to make?
    He was trying to get sympathy for the police in an effort to get people to stop complaining about police brutality.

    It's similar to the Israel-Palestine situation. Showing pictures of the victims of Hamas terrorist attacks in Israel gets a lot of people to approve of Israel blowing up Palestinians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    Yeah, that's exactly the point he was trying to make I'm sure!
    When one posts that link, in this thread, about a guy who goes off, seeking revenge for police brutality, and killing police officers, what other point would you glean from it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This horrible incident makes all police brutality in human history okay. I'm totally okay with police brutality now.
    Those true colors are ugly dude.
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    Wow and a host of responses from folks who all hold the highest opinions of me.

    How unexpected.

    As always I just want to present the fact that the story is more complicated than the narrative presented in this thread.

    Only Beorn, and maybe Nico were able to manage reasonable responses to the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    As always I just want to present the fact that the story is more complicated than the narrative presented in this thread.
    The only complication is in the realm of money, politics, and power.
    There is minimal complexity when it comes to morality and justice here.
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    NYPD Shooting: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: This Is Tragedy, Not Politics

    At the same time, however, we need to understand that their deaths are in no way related to the massive protests against systemic abuses of the justice system as symbolized by the recent deaths—also national tragedies—of Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, and Michael Brown. Ismaaiyl Brinsley, the suicidal killer, wasn’t an impassioned activist expressing political frustration, he was a troubled man who had shot his girlfriend earlier that same day. He even Instagrammed warnings of his violent intentions. None of this is the behavior of a sane man or rational activist. The protests are no more to blame for his actions than The Catcher in the Rye was for the murder of John Lennon or the movie Taxi Driver for the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. Crazy has its own twisted logic and it is in no way related to the rational cause-and-effect world the rest of us attempt to create.
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    You would think this would not need to be explained but....
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    You guys seen the video doing the rounds with all the police deaths in it?

    I still think they are in an unenviable position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    You would think this would not need to be explained but....
    It's amazing how people's minds turn off when it comes to the police.

    The most aggregious example I've noticed in social media would be a certain segment of the tea party who somehow both believe that Eric Garner was responsible for his own death by resisting arrest and supported the Bundy ranch armed resistance. The lack of logical consistency in these cases must be motivated by racism. I don't see any other explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You guys seen the video doing the rounds with all the police deaths in it?

    I still think they are in an unenviable position.
    No.
    Have you seen anyone talking about how felonious officer deaths are on a 10 year trend downward and have been going down for 50 years?

    According to FBI statistics, 27 police officers were feloniously killed in 2013, the lowest raw number in more than 50 years. (The previous low was 41 in 2008.) If we go by officer homicides as a percentage of active-duty police, it was probably the safest year in a century. The number of cops killed on duty has been falling since the mid-1990s, consistent with the overall drop in violent crime in America. Assaults against police officers have been in decline as well.
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    I don't know how it can get any more clear that the NYPD has a problem.

    Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

    The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

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    The black officers interviewed said they had been racially profiled by white officers exclusively, and about one third said they made some form of complaint to a supervisor.

    All but one said their supervisors either dismissed the complaints or retaliated against them by denying them overtime, choice assignments, or promotions. The remaining officers who made no complaints said they refrained from doing so either because they feared retribution or because they saw racial profiling as part of the system.
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