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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
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    Okay, I'll take your word for it that we're compelled only to turn up at the voting station. No doubt we would be compelled to vote as well if that didn't require someone to follow us into the ballot-booth to make sure we filled out the form and dropped it in the box.

    And plenty of my friends find it an inconvenience to vote. A number were bright enough or lazy enough to not register, and they certainly have no plans to register in the future.

    As for it being a "large low-key celebration", maybe a little. But only because everyone is forced to take time out of their day to do it, forced to locate the nearest station. And the idiot party-representatives wave flags, hold balloons, wear badges and hand out recommended voting forms at all the voting stations. Adding a false air of gaiety to the proceedings.

    Quite often, I suspect, people have no clue of the positions of any of the candidates involved, since they have no interest in politics. Yet they are still forced to cast their ignorant vote. How does that make sense?
    I agree with compulsory voting. Plenty of people died to get that freedom to express an opinion, and people out of respect should stand up to the ideals of democracy. If you don't believe in spending a few minutes to vote, then turn up to work rather than have a holiday on ANZAC day.

    Perhaps we should make jury service voluntary? Perhaps all laws should be voluntary? In the grand scheme of things voting is not a major breach of your "freedom of rights" but not voting and being apathetic to democracy is just a two fingered salute to Australian Soldiers doing whatís required to safeguard the country.

    Here in Britain, we were denied the right to even vote as to whether to have the EU legislation... contrary to what the public wanted.

    So when its time to vote, make sure you do, and understand why it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneti View Post
    I agree with compulsory voting. Plenty of people died to get that freedom to express an opinion, and people out of respect should stand up to the ideals of democracy. If you don't believe in spending a few minutes to vote, then turn up to work rather than have a holiday on ANZAC day.

    Perhaps we should make jury service voluntary? Perhaps all laws should be voluntary? In the grand scheme of things voting is not a major breach of your "freedom of rights" but not voting and being apathetic to democracy is just a two fingered salute to Australian Soldiers doing whatís required to safeguard the country.

    Here in Britain, we were denied the right to even vote as to whether to have the EU legislation... contrary to what the public wanted.

    So when its time to vote, make sure you do, and understand why it exists.
    If only we lived in a perfect world... The law is far better at enforcing the practical, rather than the ideal. Idealistic stances like yours lead to laws that produce unintended negative consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    If only we lived in a perfect world... The law is far better at enforcing the practical, rather than the ideal. Idealistic stances like yours lead to laws that produce unintended negative consequences.
    We have chosen to have this particular law for a very long time. Plenty of time to see if it produced any unintended negative consequences. And it doesn't.

    Quite the opposite - we have a stable and vibrant democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    @ Victor.


    Okay, I'll take your word for it that we're compelled only to turn up at the voting station. No doubt we would be compelled to vote as well if that didn't require someone to follow us into the ballot-booth to make sure we filled out the form and dropped it in the box.

    And plenty of my friends find it an inconvenience to vote. A number were bright enough or lazy enough to not register, and they certainly have no plans to register in the future.

    As for it being a "large low-key celebration", maybe a little. But only because everyone is forced to take time out of their day to do it, forced to locate the nearest station. And the idiot party-representatives wave flags, hold balloons, wear badges and hand out recommended voting forms at all the voting stations. Adding a false air of gaiety to the proceedings.

    Quite often, I suspect, people have no clue of the positions of any of the candidates involved, since they have no interest in politics. Yet they are still forced to cast their ignorant vote. How does that make sense?
    I think this is a cheap and vulgar attitude. No doubt you take you cue from American popular culture. And you want them to like you - so you imitate them. But all you become is a phoney American.

    And they regard you with contempt - but you think that by imitating them, they will like you.

    They can see you have no self respect and they don't respect you either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I think this is a cheap and vulgar attitude. No doubt you take you cue from American popular culture. And you want them to like you - so you imitate them. But all you become is a phoney American.

    And they regard you with contempt - but you think that by imitating them, they will like you.

    They can see you have no self respect and they don't respect you either.
    You got me pegged. I can see there's no fooling you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have chosen to have this particular law for a very long time. Plenty of time to see if it produced any unintended negative consequences. And it doesn't.

    Quite the opposite - we have a stable and vibrant democracy.
    It's still forcing people to participate in an activity with which they may not agree. I find that ethically wrong, even if that is the only negative consequence. It's not even necessary to the functioning of the republic, like jury duty.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    It's still forcing people to participate in an activity with which they may not agree. I find that ethically wrong, even if that is the only negative consequence. It's not even necessary to the functioning of the republic, like jury duty.
    First of all, you have a Republic, we have a Democracy.

    Second, values compete with each other - if you have more of one, you may have less of the other. - so it is important to learn how to strike a balance between them. Even the Ancient Greeks knew this, expressed in their play, Antigone.

    And third, it is storm in a teacup. The 'compulsion' amounts to official encouragement to attend the voting station. And it is an encouragement the whole population supports.

    I suspect you are an idealist and my father told me idealists are the most dangerous people in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    You got me pegged. I can see there's no fooling you.
    I'm psychic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I'm psychic.
    Close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    First of all, you have a Republic, we have a Democracy.
    Actually, Australia is technically a Commonwealth, but you knew it. Both of our countries have democratic elections.

    Second, values compete with each other - if you have more of one, you may have less of the other. - so it is important to learn how to strike a balance between them. Even the Ancient Greeks knew this, expressed in their play, Antigone.
    Values are different from rights.

    And third, it is storm in a teacup. The 'compulsion' amounts to official encouragement to attend the voting station. And it is an encouragement the whole population supports.
    JJJ's previous posts negate this assertion, don't they? "The WHOLE population?

    I suspect you are an idealist and my father told me idealists are the most dangerous people in the world.
    Funnily enough, I said much the same thing in a recent thread. I even quoted Karl Popper about it.
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