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    Quote Originally Posted by Showbread View Post
    Anyway. As the daughter of a small business owner I definitely have a bias on this issue. But, it is fishy that these people were hired in the first place. If the company is that adamant about their employees having a certain degree of English fluency they shouldn't have hired these people in the first place.
    I once worked with a very big chemical company. They said that the vast majority of their ground workers spoke only very limited German. What they did though was make sure that the shift leader was at least bilingual and/or that there was always someone on the shift who could translate if the need arises (they probably grouped them a bit by ethnicity/language). It seems to have worked out fine for them and they probably would have had a problem finding natives for all those jobs anyway.

    I would say that while it is necessary to communicate some basic information, fluency definitely is not required for a large number of jobs. A Colombian friend of mine financed his studies assembling shower cabins in a factory during the summer before he spoke the languae. No fluency needed for that.
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    I can't understand why they were hired in the first place, if language was a requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I worked in HR before and I don't think you can fire someone based on their 'incompetency' if you have already hired them past the probation period. If they are really incompetent you need to have set the proper PMIs at the beginning, have a lengthy formal evaluation process, and a long trail of written warnings prior to the actual firing. So this is why we stress so much that the probation evaluation is extremely important because if you don't do it properly you're gonna be stuck with the person forever.

    But maybe it's different in the US...
    Most states in the U.S. are "at will", meaning they can fire you for anything they want, i.e. your mother dresses you funny or they don't like blue hair dye. It becomes an issue if there is discrimination (as defined by federal/state laws) and also comes into play when it comes time to apply/qualify for unemployment benefits. If you are fired for incompetency, and employers do fire for this reason, you can often qualify for unemployment. It can be bad PR sure, but hardly illegal.

    My money is on this getting shot down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    perhaps, to be competitive. they're not under an obligation to.
    I agree with @Showbread. Why were they hired in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    Most states in the U.S. are "at will", meaning they can fire you for anything they want, i.e. your mother dresses you funny or they don't like blue hair dye. It becomes an issue if there is discrimination (as defined by federal/state laws) and also comes into play when it comes time to apply/qualify for unemployment benefits. If you are fired for incompetency, and employers do fire for this reason, you can often qualify for unemployment. It can be bad PR sure, but hardly illegal.

    My money is on this getting shot down.
    Dang, I had no idea! Sounds scary and so.... capitalistic... if that's the right word.
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    As far as I know, employer discrimination laws are based on hiring practices, not firing practices. So suing a company on the basis of firing a bunch of employees for not speaking English isn't against the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    As far as I know, employer discrimination laws are based on hiring practices, not firing practices. So suing a company on the basis of firing a bunch of employees for not speaking English isn't against the law.
    Nah, you're wrong.

    Discrimination in hiring, promotions, wages, or termination of employment and layoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    That's interesting, thanks. Buts it doesn't make me wrong, because I wrote "as far as I KNOW."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    That's interesting, thanks. Buts it doesn't make me wrong, because I wrote "as far as I KNOW."
    The assertion you made with your weasel-wording was still wrong. Not to be rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    The assertion you made with your weasel-wording was still wrong. Not to be rude.
    Oh no, you're NEVER rude!
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