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    Default The Case for Reparations

    The Atlantic has published a great article on racism against blacks in the US. There are quite a few things in it I didn't know about, like how many racist policies were in the New Deal. I'm not convinced we should make reparation payments in 2014, but the argument for it is pretty strong.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/
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    I just saw this thread while searching for an old thread I started about racism- I have always had a problem with the whole "Things are different now! So just shut up and get over it" attitude. Number one, they're not different enough, and number two, it hasn't been very long since there was some pretty breathtaking institutionalized racism.

    Related: I have so much respect for Ta-Nehisi Coates- just about everything of his that I've read was kind of gut-punchingly insightful.

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    Thank you for posting this. I love articles like this...America's very hidden history. I don't think that reparations will ever be made though...after all "You people were freed and look what you did with that!".

    I know the article explains very well what was done during that time period up to the present but I think it's too far engrained in the social mind of this country (and world-wide) that African-Americans are where they are because they want to be. Very few people know or even want to know about what really happened.

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    Pretty much every ethnic group has been enslaved at some point in history - including the ancestors of the English, German, French and other Western European peoples. We were shipped off as slaves for the Romans for at least 300 years. Should I go up to the Italians and ask for reparations? They and you would laugh at me for doing so.

    I should also mention that slavery has never stopped in parts of Africa, it is still an ongoing problem. Various tribes have conducted slavery amongst themselves for much longer than any European civilisation ever has. And regarding the Atlantic slave trade, the merchants were not always Anglo-Saxons. Portuguese, Spanish and Jewish individuals made quite a bit out of it as well. Where are the aggrieved descendants of slaves demanding reparations from these people?

    I will tell you why. Because they know they will never get any from them, that only White America is apathetic enough to capitulate time after time to demands. The black community has two moral options: (1.) As none of the generations alive today lived in a time of slavery, drop the case, or (2.) demand equal reparations from all the peoples who have also enslaved Africans.

    Until either one of these avenues is pursued, I will reject this as an opportunistic attempt to get free shit.

    The author of the article from her comments is also a race superficialist, so the causes of poverty to her will naturally be white racism and environmental conditions generally.

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    Racism has been here before America was even a nation. In fact, a lot of the racism has been pushed mostly towards non-White and non-Europeans (yes, there was xenophobic tendenacies toward people who weren't white-Americans, which white- Americans doesn't include those immigrating from Europe like Irish descendants.) I mean, not to make light of other areas of repression, but when it comes to racism in America, African-Americans has and still take the brunt of it in America. The article does list some of what I am about to mention....

    Black Codes
    Plessy V. Ferguson
    Women's Suffrage Movement deciding not to add "black" women as part of the women's declaration because they fear that a bill won't pass (ok... they even had their xenophobic moments too!)
    Jim Crow
    Emmet Till
    Lynchings, especially during the 1910's and 1950's
    Redevelopment and Zoning Laws
    Housing Laws that forbid couples from selling or passing their homes (such as through death wishes) to African Americans
    Redlining
    "White" Flight
    Driving while Black
    Ad Nauseum

    Whatever form it is currently being done in (I would like to call it "passive" racism because it is just under the surface,) it is still racism in this country.

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    Thank you for posting this. I love articles like this...America's very hidden history. I don't think that reparations will ever be made though...after all "You people were freed and look what you did with that!".

    I know the article explains very well what was done during that time period up to the present but I think it's too far engrained in the social mind of this country (and world-wide) that African-Americans are where they are because they want to be. Very few people know or even want to know about what really happened.
    It's strange, I've read a little bit of France's history, and they treated Africans and African Americans with basic respect. In World War II, African-American soldiers will avoid bars in America until the White soldiers would leave (often time because it'll turn into fights), but when they were in France, it was as if they were in heaven. I don't know if this was because of France's guilt in the colonization of a lot of Africa (France is still dealing with a lot of the issues in Africa) but that is something very much different from America.

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    I didn't think the reparations were so much about slavery as it was about what happened afterward...the housing policies and so forth?

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    Back when affirmative action was first point into place. LBJ made a poignant analogy about a race between two men in which one man was given a lengthy head start before the other, and how most would agree that the only fair thing to do would be to allow the man left behind to catch up.

    I've tend to agree with that analogy, but I've seen why people would oppose affirmative action. I also see why people would oppose reparations. But as one continues to knock each of these options off the list, the question looms, how is the man left behind ever going to catch up?
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