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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Attitudes and mindsets largely comprise culture, and cultures influence attitudes and mindsets.

    What do you think a culture is?
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    I asked the creator of the thread how he defined the term 'rape culture':

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I would define rape culture as an shared belief or idea that condones rape or encourages it. I would also venture to say that it's a subset of "sexual assault culture". It approaches some grey areas when you weigh in sexual coercion, rape jokes, or ignorant callousness about the topic. However, I believe that no matter how localized the culture is, whether it floats around in a criminal syndicate, a group of hood rats, or in a chain of voyeurs who fetishist rape pornography, it technically remains a culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Men evolved to perform a certain function in society, as did women. I think that men and women would naturally assume gender roles if they weren't brainwashed. What concerns me is that men have traditionally had separate roles to women which has given us a sense of identity and purpose. Also explain to me how you can be valued as much if you are doing something which the other party can do as well?
    why does anyone need to be valued for the gender specific things they can do? how about just valuing them for the ways they contribute and add to your life. rather that's your wife who loves mowing the lawn or your husband who's an awesome cook or the wife who stays home with the kids and the dad that goes off to work to support the family or vice versa...

    it's valuing what each other do, not necessarily what they do that you're incapable of.

    i really don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    ^very well said, @five sounds. Let me show you guys a pic of my very manly husband:

    (He's the bearded one standing up, not the behatted fellow sitting down. The boy is our son.)

    Now let me tell you that we both work full-time and share the housework equally (along with both the kids, who do their part as well- both our daughter AND our son). And we appreciate each other far more with this setup than we did when I was home with our first child and he worked to support us, which was difficult for us both and we both felt spread thin. The equitable arrangement is far superior, for us. And he spent hours walking and singing and patting that little guy on the back when he was a baby to get him to sleep without nursing to sleep, because if I nursed him to sleep he would wake up when I tried to scratch my nose. He was a difficult baby and my husband was amazing with him. And I was eternally grateful because without his help I would not have gotten any damn sleep. This is a man whose masculinity is not threatened by sharing either the breadwinning or the housework/childrearing with me.

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    that's how i was raised and raise my kiddos too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    @Coriolis Do you think that rape is a "women's" issue? If so, could you please elaborate? Perhaps I've overlooked something and would appreciate the opportunity to expand my understanding on this subject. Thanks!
    Read your own references more thoroughly. From the PREA article:

    According to official statistics on rape conviction rates, the U.S. Bureau of Justice said 91 per cent of the victims were women and 99 per cent of the perpetrators were men.
    From the RAINN recommendations:

    One out of every six women and one out of every 33 men are victims of sexual assault.
    Quote Originally Posted by Qloshae View Post
    Then, there was also the studies saying for example that women could multitask while men couldn't, later study proved that neither men nor women could actually multitask as the brain needs to distribute attention between the different tasks.

    I have issues with this genre of studies, which could be called inequality promoting studies as all they do is lift up one of the sexes while putting the other down.

    It's a sad day when people use the name of science as a tool to express sexism.
    We can probably list hundreds of activities or characteristics where well-executed scientific studies show that, on average, men and women differ in some statistically significant respect. That is not the point. The point is that these differences are just that: statistical averages. Considerable variation will remain within men as a group and women as a group, such that for any activity, there will be some (possibly many) women who exhibit as much or more of the male tendency than the average male, as well as men who exhibit as much or more of the average female tendency.

    The even more important point is that individuals are not statistics. Just because men are more likely to do/have/want X doesn't mean that a specific individual man does, or a specific individual woman does not. These studies can tell us about average behavior, but not individual behavior. That we must discern for ourselves, one person at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't think "promoting inequality" is necessarily a bad thing. Promoting truth is what is important. If it turns out women's brains are actually better than men's at some things, we shouldn't squash that knowledge in the interest of equality.
    Which women's brains? All women's? Some women's? How do you know whether a specific woman, say someone applying for a job or a graduate program, is one of those who fits the average, or exceeds it, or falls short like the average man would in your example? None of this matters if you take each person as an individual, without prejudice.
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    People enjoy tons of humiliating and potentially fatal (autoerotic-axphysxiation) liasons, so why would rape be any lower on the totem pole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Read your own references more thoroughly. From the PREA article:
    According to official statistics on rape conviction rates, the U.S. Bureau of Justice said 91 per cent of the victims were women and 99 per cent of the perpetrators were men.
    You are quoting The Daily Mail, who is quoting the FBI stats not PREA. BIG difference. Here take a look http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ual-abuse.html It is the second to last sentence, right before "Just 9 per cent of accusations made by men resulted in a conviction."

    My first hint: The scope of the National Inmate Survey (which is how BJS compiles the rape stats) does not factor for "conviction rates" nor nature of conviction. Here is a sample survey http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nis_papi_m12_12.pdf These are done similar to how you vote during an election. You get one "vote" and it is anonymous.

    My second hint: I performed several searches (within the PREA report) using various combos of the quote you supplied (i.e. "conviction rates" "91 per cent" "perpetrators were" etc.) all to no avail. I've also read it several times. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pdca14.pdf

    On to your second statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    From the RAINN recommendations:
    One out of every six women and one out of every 33 men are victims of sexual assault.
    In order to give this quote context and to point out that this is a subset of rape data:

    "One out of every six women and one out of every 33 men are victims of sexual assault - 20million Americans in all. Those of college age are more likely to be victimized than any other age group. According to the Department of Justice, on a campus of 10,000 students, as many as 350 women may be victims of sexual assault each year. And alarmingly, the Department of Justice (DOJ) estimates that just 12% of college victims report their assault to law enforcement officials. ii This is far below the rate of the general population, where about 40% of all sexual attacks are reported to police, according to DOJ."

    ii White House Council on Women and Girls, Rape and sexual Assault: A Renewed Call to Action, January 2014, at 15, citing Kilpatrick, D.G., Resnick, H.S., Ruggerio, K.J., Conoscenti, L. M., & McCauley, J. (2007). Drug facilitated, incapacitated, and forcible rape: a national study (NCJ 219181). Charleston, SC: Medical University of South Carolina, National Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center.

    https://rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-...mendations.pdf

    It is clear that this quote/stat does not include prison rape stats.

    You've basically supplied me with 2 separate sources quoting the same "type" of data, criminal convictions, based off of FBI stats. Data that I've not disputed. However, both sources supplied do not factor for ALL rapes. And you still haven't answered the question. I will disengage you accordingly.
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    Of course rape culture exists.

    Rape culture exists as a weapon of war, used in many countries today.

    And rape culture exists as caste weapon in India today.

    And rape culture exists in human trafficking in most countries today.

    And rape culture exists as institutional child rape, still protected in almost all countries today except Ireland and Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    You've basically supplied me with 2 separate sources quoting the same "type" of data, criminal convictions, based off of FBI stats. Data that I've not disputed. However, both sources supplied do not factor for ALL rapes. And you still haven't answered the question. I will disengage you accordingly.
    You supplied the sources; I merely quoted from them. The problem of prison rape is obvious, as is one solution: stay out of jail. The fact that men in this small (~0.7%) and rarefied minority experience rape at a rate orders of magnitude higher than do men in the general population says nothing about rape as an issue for women. Prison data skew the results used in understanding and addressing rape in society at large, and different measures will be needed to address rape effectively in the two environments: one populated primarily by peaceable, law-abiding citizens; the other primarily by criminals.
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