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    Call me when we are talking about the link between rap and rape culture.

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    I think psychopathy could be a huge factor in rape and sexual violence, most psychopaths seem at first glance amazingly normalized, they can so easily gain trust and then use it against their prey. Dr. Robert Hare who has studied mostly criminal psychopaths for decades has estimated that up to half of all serial rapists are psychopaths even though they make up only 1 percent of the population. Psychopaths also show abnormal fear anticipation responses, they literally don't sweat when they lie, cheat, steal, kill, and rape. I think getting a handle on psychopaths will kill many, many birds with one stone, from what I know they are almost impossible to reform and they can con even the best trained experts, maybe spotting them young(they are called callous/unemotional children if under 18) and trying different preventive methods.
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    C'mon, @Ginkgo. You all know what I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    What's rape culture?
    article- Rape Culture 101

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    What someone said earlier, that "nice guys rape," was misinterpreted, I think. I don't think they were saying that every man is a rapist. I don't know anyone who believes that and I know a lot of feminists. And clearly, good men are not jumping out of bushes and perpetrating stranger rapes. But that's not the only kind of rape. When I remember being in college, at a notorious "party school," a huge part of the weekend for a lot of guys there was hoping to be around when a girl got drunk enough that she couldn't say no anymore. Clearly, not every guy- and not a majority of guys- but enough that I don't think they were all psychopaths. And I knew more women than I care to recall who had been on the receiving end of coercion, whether it got to the point of rape or not.

    I think we have made a huge mistake in our teaching young people about consent by making it about "no means no." It should be about "yes means yes." An alarming number of people after the Steubenville case seemed to think that she couldn't have been raped because she didn't say no (even though she was incapacitated and wasn't able to say no). If a person is not able to say yes, if not verbally then by in some way clearly and unambiguously communicating that he or she wants to have sex, DON'T HAVE SEX WITH THAT PERSON.

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    Short answer, no I don't think it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    While crap like this and the shitbag that made it are certainly part of the problem,


    I'm not exactly sure what the term "rape culture" denotes. I haven't done any research on the subject, nor am I familiar with the statistics of women (or men) who are sexually assaulted. What I don't understand are the feminists who want women to be treated as equal to men, but then advocate for double-standards that equate a woman to a minor, (as in she's not responsible for her consensual conduct) when intoxicated, in contrast to men who are held liable for their actions as adults. I've been in a situation where I was drunk and ended up sleeping with a woman, who came onto me quite aggressively in a bar, and I regretted the encounter the next day. I wouldn't have slept with her if I was sober, and felt dirty about it because she was married. Still, I don't believe that I was taken advantage of in my inebriated state. I chose to drink and consented to sex, even if she was being rather aggressive physically. I didn't resist in any way and thus take full responsibility for my actions.

    In the picture above, she states that "You taught him it wasn't his fault that I drank too much, flirted, etc..." Yeah, that's not his fault. Nor do we know his level of inebriation at the time. The whole staircase situation is weird. Did they fuck in a vehicle or something and he ditched her? Who knows...she doesn't really elaborate. If so, that's obviously a shitty thing to do; however, she doesn't indicate that he forced himself on her against her will. And this is the situation that some women who cry rape find themselves in. They drink too much, fuck somebody they regret sleeping with and then absolve themselves of any responsibility because...the vagina is receptive and the penis penetrates; therefore RAPE!!!

    I'm not talking about a situation in which a woman physically or verbally resists intercourse, is given substances against her knowledge or is so intoxicated that she's incoherent and not a willing participant in sexual conduct. Those are obviously different circumstances.

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    @Nicodemus

    I would define rape culture as an shared belief or idea that condones rape or encourages it. I would also venture to say that it's a subset of "sexual assault culture". It approaches some grey areas when you weigh in sexual coercion, rape jokes, or ignorant callousness about the topic. However, I believe that no matter how localized the culture is, whether it floats around in a criminal syndicate, a group of hood rats, or in a chain of voyeurs who fetishist rape pornography, it technically remains a culture.

    That said, I'm actually less interested in the semantics revolving around this conversation, and more interested in how voters will free-form their opinions. Most of all, I'm interested in rolling out the carpet for people to share their experiences, because that's the first step to recognizing that a significant global problem exists, regardless of how we might delineate the finer details of it.

    @captain curmudgeon, good post. Excellent example of how the condonement of rape can exist not only in a culture, but in an institution. Still, plenty of people hold similar beliefs, decades later - not only about their spouses but about their SOs. @Elfboy, I honestly think you fall into the category of feeling entitled to that. So I it amused me that you responded the way you did.

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    I think if we do away with 'gender roles' altogether, this will be less of a problem.

    The society is confusing young people nowadays. Boys are taught to be jerks, to compete, to win. Girls are taught to, well, be pretty. It's not helping anybody.

    I think we need to address the value placed on the 'alpha male' and the 'male gaze' before we can understand what rape culture really is.

    *I'm not talking about rape culture in places where women don't even have basic rights, which I no doubt believe exists, but rape culture in 'the modern society'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    @captain curmudgeon, good post. Excellent example of how the condonement of rape can exist not only in a culture, but in an institution. Still, plenty of people hold similar beliefs, decades later - not only about their spouses but about their SOs. @Elfboy, I honestly think you fall into the category of feeling entitled to that. So I it amused me that you responded the way you did.
    nice try making things personal
    there is a difference between "I deserve (some degree of) sex in a relationship" and "I will rape my partner is he/she doesn't give it to me". the former is true (and the appropriate thing to do is to leave if you are being held out on); the latter is violent and controlling.
    there is also the other side of the coin. if my partner didn't want to have sex with me, my first thoughts would be "maybe I'm not doing a good enough job?" "I should ask him how I can do better and find other ways to turn him on." and "maybe I'm a bit out of shape and have let myself go a little too much. time to put myself back together".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    nice try making things personal
    there is a difference between "I deserve (some degree of) sex in a relationship" and "I will rape my partner is he/she doesn't give it to me". the former is true (and the appropriate thing to do is to leave if you are being held out on); the latter is violent and controlling.
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