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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    So just how much income inequality do you think is tolerable? Or is it your opinion that everyone should earn exactly the same?
    No, no. I'm sure you're right. I'm sure the reason some people have so much and others have nothing at all is just a question of "priorities" and thermodynamics. Gee. Thanks physics! This could be revolutionary! Someone needs to tell those do-gooder types to stop worrying about the 1 in 3 people with no access to basic sanitation or clean water or about the fact that there are young girls in some parts of the world who can't even take a dump without being gang-raped and hung from a tree - those people clearly just have shitty "priorities".

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    If inequality is such a god-given fact of life, how come there are countries with a looot of it and others with relatively little of it? Also, those that have little of it also happen to be the ones with a high standard of living and high degrees of general happiness and satistaction with life among its population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring
    If inequality is such a god-given fact of life, how come there are countries with a looot of it and others with relatively little of it?
    I suspect that inequality is a function of cultural diversity. In less diverse nations like Norway, there will be less inequality since most Norwegians will have similar educational experiences and therefore similar opportunities. In more diverse nations like the US, there will be greater diversity because there is a greater diversity of ambition, talent, and opportunity. You'd get the same result if you looked at basketball skills. There will be greater diversity of basketball skills in more diverse nations like the US.

    The exceptions are the corrupt countries of South America where the wealthy have bought off the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    So just how much income inequality do you think is tolerable? Or is it your opinion that everyone should earn exactly the same?
    No, no. I'm sure you're right. I'm sure the reason some people have so much and others have nothing at all is just a question of "priorities" and thermodynamics. Gee. Thanks physics! This could be revolutionary! Someone needs to tell those do-gooder types to stop worrying about the 1 in 3 people with no access to basic sanitation or clean water or about the fact that there are young girls in some parts of the world who can't even take a dump without being gang-raped and hung from a tree - those people clearly just have shitty "priorities".

    It seems history has been unfairly mean to old Marie-Antoinette - labelling her a spoilt, corrupt airhead - when all along (who knew!?) she was a Scientist centuries ahead of her time..
    Your response doesn't answer the questions; just more red herrings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inventor View Post
    First of all this is a fallacy, second of all you are nature in a sense so whatever you do is natural. So if we become socially equal it's natural.
    By that logic all global warming is natural then...

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    Interesting article and good scientific point.

    It doesn't mean we should stop advocating for better living conditions and less poverty.

    Saying that lower echelons will always exist and will always be the majority does not define their quality of life, and what we should be shooting for regardless of what SE class people are in is a decent living quality for all human beings. If anything, it's further evidence that all people should be supportive of raising the living standards of the majority. IMO this could probably happen with education, clean water, universal health care and an unconditional basic income (here for arguments that people would abuse the system).

    Of course, getting the upper SE levels to agree to sacrificing their resources to fuel that improvement is the hard part...

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    Quote Originally Posted by inventor View Post
    It is, but just because it's natural doesn't make it ok or good.
    If something is natural by definition it is not a product of humanity.

    natural
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    1.
    existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
    "carrots contain a natural antiseptic"
    having had a minimum of processing or preservative treatment.
    "natural food"
    synonyms: unprocessed, organic, pure, wholesome, unrefined, pesticide-free, chemical-free, additive-free, unbleached, unmixed, real, plain, virgin, crude, raw More
    "her policy of using fresh, natural produce"
    antonyms: artificial, refined
    (of fabric) having a colour characteristic of the unbleached and undyed state; off-white.
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    in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
    "sharks have no natural enemies"

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    Inequality is an interesting question for industrial societies as our economic problem is over production.

    So the question then becomes how can we use up our over production and keep our economy turning over.

    The answer has been twofold. The first is that we use up our overproduction in technological warfare, such as Vietnam where we used vast amounts of industrial production to kill 3.1 million Vietnamese. And in Iraq and Afganistan where we have just used up two thousand thousand million dollars (2 trillion dollars).

    The second answer to overproduction has been the welfare state where we use over production in health, welfare and education.

    There a third and smaller way in which we use up industrial over production and that is in research and the arts.

    So we could reach equality by tranferring the military budget to health, education and welfare.

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    However our industrial society is now coming to an end and being replaced by the cybernetic society or called the electric society, of which Typology Central is a part.

    In our industrial society we had specialized work called jobs, but in the electric society we have roles. For instance on Typology Central we all have roles called avatars.

    Jobs are replacable and uniform and even require us to wear uniforms, while roles are inherently sui generis.

    So our problem today is not over production and equality but how to find a role that fits us externally and internally. And then we ask, what are the relationships between the roles?

    And we are only at the very beginning of this on Typology Central.

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