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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    i don't like mixing biology with politics. erroneous interpretation of darwin and malthus laws has turned out wrongly in the past (fascism).
    anyway, to answer this question we have to look at the origin of social, which goes back to the neolithic and the beginning of sedentarism (and of job specialisation), way before the origin of bourgeoisie and capitalism. so i don't think social inequality is a direct consequence from human societies. i would argue that social inequality as we see it today is a result of an economical/social model, which could be different, with another ideology. this is more of less what i have to say. i don't know who tagged me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    Not to my awareness.
    Huh, it must have just been me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    i don't like mixing biology with politics. erroneous interpretation of darwin and malthus laws has turned out wrongly in the past (fascism).
    anyway, to answer this question we have to look at the origin of social, which goes back to the neolithic and the beginning of sedentarism (and of job specialisation), way before the origin of bourgeoisie and capitalism. so i don't think social inequality is a direct consequence from human societies. i would argue that social inequality as we see it today is a result of an economical/social model, which could be different, with another ideology. this is more of less what i have to say. i don't know who tagged me.
    You do understand that Marxists, which I suppose you are(even if we've never spoken) due to your quote from Simone De Beauvoir, your pciture of Castro and some of the posts I've read by you in this forum, normally believe in dialectical materialism, that material causes will eventuallly "evolve" into communism.

    The main difference between right and left wing economics is the very notion that the right believes in the individual's capacity for change in economic matters(the capitalist wants to profit from the free market, to be his their income thanks to the free market), whereas the left believes that individuals have no influence on these matters and are subject to material factors outside of their control, so its interesting to hear you argue against capitalism in the name of free will.

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    I think there is always going to be inequality of some degree. That's simply unavoidable in a universe with finite resources, space, and an ability to utilize or make use of those resources.

    That being said, I don't see anything wrong with trying to improve our lot in life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    Most of these have more to due with breaking logic than breaking "the laws of mother nature".
    Bullshit.
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    Previous posters have mentioned the scientific barriers that make equality impossible, so I don't have much work to do...

    I have noticed that lefties have a very hypocritical attitude to biology. They support it as long as the science doesn't clash with anything ideologically sensitive, which it often does, as sameness/equality as concepts are completely anti-Darwinian. The stuff I see posted about race and gender is particularly retarded. I can accept some of what they say about gay people, because of my view that a lot of people's preferences are innate. It cuts both ways though, they can't accept the biological aspect of sexuality and then turn around and deny it regarding gender and race just because doing so doesn't suit their ideology - that is completely dishonest. I think most people realise from experience that men and women think in different ways (the obvious example: difference in the proportion of Ts and Fs between genders) and have seen enough to realise that men and women have a few significant physical differences though. It is the widespread ignorance about race that really irritates me.

    Most people seem to think that race "is just skin colour". This is completely wrong - skin colour has nothing to do with race. To demonstrate why, take a look at this guy:



    He's an Eskimo, and his skin colour is no different than mine yet he would never be mistaken for a "white" person. Why? His facial proportions are completely different! These proportions vary substantially enough between races for anatomists to be able to deduce someone's race from their bone structure, and anyone who has stepped outside their door will realise how much variation in craniometery exists between populations as well as within them. That is just the most obvious physical manifestation, but it's not to say that there aren't any other traits that vary.

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    Inequality is as natural as Natural Selection. However the European Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries gave us the values of evidence and reason, freedom and equality.

    The values of evidence and reason have given us science, and the values of freedom and equality have given us liberal democracy.

    And liberal democracy maximises freedom and equality by the Limitation of Power.

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    It's natural that some of us strive for more than they need. First wiorld wealth is built up partially on the developing countriesa nd of course China. We are still living in the time of the Instustrial Revolution, the social structures just shifted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    "An equal sharing of income, in this [scientific] view, is as likely as the air in your office collapsing into your empty coffee cup."
    If wealth followed nature, it would distribute itself evenly like the air in your office, not consolidate in your coffee cup like the wealth in the hands of the 1%. Yes, there will always be income inequality. To large degree, this is just a reflection of people's priorities. Not everyone places wealth above all other things. I can't think of anyone, however, who doesn't want to have at least enough to have the necessities of life in reasonable security.
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