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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    So once again science has....pointed out the obvious.
    Well I think it likes to prove the obvious. One day they will succeed in making obviousness a physical force, then Captain Obvious will be a living creature.

    Imagine making a cup of coffee in a light, plastic cup and just as you reach for it...CAPTAIN OBVIOUS FLIES IN THE WINDOW. "That coffee is HOT!" he will proclaim "Touching it through a plastic cup could burn your hand and result in frivolous lawsuits where you get paid millions!"

    So you grab the cup anyway. Because scientific obviousness has to be truthful obviousness.....or something that looks like it anyhow.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Man walking on the moon isn't.
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    I understand how the reasoning intuitively makes sense when it comes to income inequality. You don't happen to choose your talents and what other people around you may prefer, thus some people will randomly rake in lots of money just by virtue of casually being themselves.

    It's much harder to justify extreme wealthy disparities with this type of reasoning, though, since it implies a reversion to the mean of the energy level of each random molecule.
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    Rape is even more natural

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    • Reverse the law of gravity
    • Have your cake and eat it too
    • Unbreak a Grecian urn
    • Turn water into wine
    • etc etc
    Most of these have more to due with breaking logic than breaking "the laws of mother nature".

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    gotta be above it
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    Some inequality is necessary to create flow of goods and services, and to reward the clever and industrious. The question becomes how much is acceptable. The west could share a lot with say, Africa, and it wouldn't hurt the west.
    Yes, it's unrealistic and impratical to expect total equality but there gets to be a point where there's people who make far, far more than what's needed for a comfortable standard of living and others that are living below the poverty line. When it gets to be that level, that goes beyond acceptable. Besides you can be both clever and industrious and still not be well off financially.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Yersinia pestis is also "natural".
    Well I guess death is natural too but I think as humans we tend to want to put it off as long as possible and make it as painless as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I understand how the reasoning intuitively makes sense when it comes to income inequality. You don't happen to choose your talents and what other people around you may prefer, thus some people will randomly rake in lots of money just by virtue of casually being themselves.

    It's much harder to justify extreme wealthy disparities with this type of reasoning, though, since it implies a reversion to the mean of the energy level of each random molecule.
    There's plenty of people being themselves who can't make ends meet. It could be due to laziness, it could be bad luck, it could be their talents aren't useful in an economic sense, it could be their own stupidity, etc.

    In other animal species, natural selection would see to it that the more 'fit' survive and pass on their genes while the less 'fit' die out and over time their genes disappear. Other species don't consciously think about how to accomodate the 'weaker' members into their society. Humans are different in that we can contemplate such things and we can feel compassion for the 'weaker' members and try to integrate them into society as best as we can without compromising society. It's a gift that our species has and we shouldn't just leave the 'weaker' members to 'rot' unless they do something utterly despicable like serial killing with no remorse.

    Regarding distribution of wealth, I guess its a skewed bell curve. There's alot more people clustered at the poorer end than at the richer end. It's not by any means symmetrical.

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    Rape is even more natural
    I don't know about this. Do other animals rape their fellow beings? Even if so, as humans we are moral beings and should be above those kinds of actions.
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    Agree with most sentiments here. Anyway, didn't we decide everything is natural? If we go out of our way to treat others as equals, that would be natural too, and something to be proud of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Anyway, didn't we decide everything is natural?
    Not to my awareness.

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    i don't like mixing biology with politics. erroneous interpretation of darwin and malthus laws has turned out wrongly in the past (fascism).
    anyway, to answer this question we have to look at the origin of social, which goes back to the neolithic and the beginning of sedentarism (and of job specialisation), way before the origin of bourgeoisie and capitalism. so i don't think social inequality is a direct consequence from human societies. i would argue that social inequality as we see it today is a result of an economical/social model, which could be different, with another ideology. this is more of less what i have to say. i don't know who tagged me.

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