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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, the original blonde girl that rejected him (she was ten, he was twelve) that he rants on about in his manifesto didn't even recall him now and apparently is a basket case. I'm sure there are others.
    She's not a "basket case". She's understandably devastated that the press are writing about her, invading her privacy, and repeating the vile accusations of that monster that she's in any way culpable. Also terrified that she's now a target for other deranged assholes.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    ^Re: being a target- Also understandably so, IMO, given the kinds of responses the blogger I quote above screencapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    She's not a "basket case". She's understandably devastated that the press are writing about her, invading her privacy, and repeating the vile accusations of that monster that she's in any way culpable. Also terrified that she's now a target for other deranged assholes.
    Earlier, I quoted what her father had said about it. If my last post seems sloppily worded to you, I'll just direct you back to my original quote to clarify what I meant:

    The woman’s father said it was Saturday morning when his 20-year-old daughter realized Rodger had made her part of his sick story.

    “She’s devastated by this,” the dad said in a phone interview. “She doesn’t even remember this guy. . . . She’s always been the most delicate kid you’d ever want to meet. For him to call her a bully, this kid was really disillusioned.

    “She was 10 years old,” the dad added. “He was two years older than her. He was in my son’s class. She was in the seventh grade and he was in eighth grade. . . . Can you imagine a 10-year-old kid bullying a 12-year-old? This little, petite girl bullying him?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    Lemme just say this.

    While there is something wrong with the way some men see women in our society, there is also something wrong with the way some women see men. All Im saying is, can we at least admit that the way women are educated by society and by media to treat men is often defective? That it is not only men whos view of the opposite sex is defective?
    meh.

    for the vast majority of people:
    romantic entanglements/desires tend to be with the opposite sex.
    + romantic entanglements/desires entail a higher degree of vulnerability.
    --> relationships/reports with higher degree's of hurt will be of the opposite sex.
    ---> the common denominator of all those who cause the average person the most grief is *drumroll* being of the opposite sex.
    result: men are assholes & women are bitches.

    and then there's a lot of really selective bullshit that follows suit to rationalize that, almost all of which entails tons of faulty logic and "your fingercut is nothing like my fingercut" sort of thinking. collective empathy fail all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    He was against everyone.
    Being against everyone is misogyny?

    Lol. It's hard to imagine anyone more "entitled". And sour grapes is exactly the right term:
    "An expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables. It refers to making a false pretense to form a rationalization, i.e., not to care for something one wants, but does not or cannot have."
    If he felt entitled to women's bodies, he would have raped. But he didn't, he killed. He felt entitled to something, but it wasn't women's bodies.

    I have no problem with the sour grapes term. I think it fits. And it's the opposite of entitlement. Wanting something is not the same as feeling entitled to it.

    You're not using my reasoning at all. I made no reference to "all men" (though it took you no time flat to invoke the NOT ALL MEN trope. ) Nor did I list the factors that conspire to create these tragic events. So that's disingenuous.

    As for hundreds of rampages every day - there ARE THOUSANDS of rapes and violent attacks on women. EVERY DAY. So I guess, using your reasoning, that must mean all men believe they own women's bodies, eh?
    Here. Educate yourself. When Women Refuse
    I'm using your reasoning better than you. I'm just not stopping where it suits my agenda.

    All men are raised in a culture (rape culture) that objectifies women, that teaches them they are entitled to women's bodies. You do believe in rape culture, don't you? Couple that with the beliefs you articulated in the threads about "loser males" playing video games and becoming addicted to porn and you've got a recipe for hundreds of Elliot-Rodger style rampages every day.

    Yeah. I have no desire to understand him.
    You have no desire to understand him, yet you speak with such authority regarding his motivations. Irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Society View Post
    meh.

    for the vast majority of people:
    romantic entanglements/desires tend to be with the opposite sex.
    + romantic entanglements/desires entail a higher degree of vulnerability.
    --> relationships/reports with higher degree's of hurt will be of the opposite sex.
    ---> the common denominator of all those who cause the average person the most grief is *drumroll* being of the opposite sex.
    result: men are assholes & women are bitches.

    and then there's a lot of really selective bullshit that follows suit to rationalize that, almost all of which entails tons of faulty logic and "your fingercut is nothing like my fingercut" sort of thinking. collective empathy fail all around.
    Is this worth me fighting over?

    Its not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nara View Post
    Predictable.

    The problem with incitement to violence is that nothing can be done before individuals - by clearly encouraging to take action - are suggesting this is imminent.
    True story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    That depends on how evolved your legislature is.
    Then again, the US has never had any conscience about detaining suspected Islamic "terrorists" - on much flimsier grounds.
    Oooooh, what evolved legislature DOES have a pre-crime unit for domestic loner mass shooters? I can't wait for your non-answer.
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    I'm against pre-crime. I mean i get the 72 hr psychiatric hold, but being arrested because you might jay walk tomorrow is stupid. I often times am like hmmm I'm going to jay-walk last minute, nope this side seems nicer
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Pre-crime is bullshit. The law exists to punish crime, not to prevent it. Besides, arresting someone based upon their "profile" is horseshit, and nothing less than witch hunting(and when has witch hunting been about anything other than arresting people based on their "profile"?).

    As far as Gunatanamo goes, I think its wrong as well, which doesnt mean we have to arrest all sexually frustrated politically incorrect men on the grounds they might turn out to be a killer. Two wrongs dont make right.

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    I can understand why, not saying it makes it right. nor would I kill for his reasons, but I do understand the urge to slaughter people. I've seriously considered it in the past.

    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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