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    Quote Originally Posted by Hive View Post
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    lol I hope he's infuriated by this name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    This unfair, and irrational. Saying not supporting strict gun laws means you support murder is nothing more than emotional pleading BS.
    My biggest thing is how it is so easy that someone so mentally disturbed, with reports to the police by his own parents and a social worker, can go bun a gun, hell 3 of 'em. Probably could have bought an Assault rifle.

    I just think the background check should be more than "Was in a mental institution," which is what it pretty much is now. The Viginia tech shooter, as well, teachers had reported "disturbing" stories, in a writing class. Yet he legally purchased a 9mm Glock 19 and a Walther P22. A Virginia judge in December 2005 deemed Cho "an imminent danger to himself because of mental illness" and ordered outpatient treatment. He didn't go. But still. Shit, shouldn't that be on file?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    My biggest thing is how it is so easy that someone so mentally disturbed, with reports to the police by his own parents and a social worker, can go bun a gun, hell 3 of 'em. Probably could have bought an Assault rifle.

    I just think the background check should be more than "Was in a mental institution," which is what it pretty much is now. The Viginia tech shooter, as well, teachers had reported "disturbing" stories, in a writing class. Yet he legally purchased a 9mm Glock 19 and a Walther P22. A Virginia judge in December 2005 deemed Cho "an imminent danger to himself because of mental illness" and ordered outpatient treatment. He didn't go. But still. Shit, shouldn't that be on file?
    What solution do you propose that doesn't make it even more difficult to be a shooting enthusiast than it already is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What solution do you propose that doesn't make it even more difficult to be a shooting enthusiast than it already is?
    Oh not much, just maybe mentioning on your background file that a judge ordered you to attend outpatient treatment because he thought you were a danger to yourself and others.

    Instead, it's "A danger to yourself and others?? Here's your guns!! Enjoy!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Oh not much, just maybe mentioning on your background file that a judge ordered you to attend outpatient treatment because he thought you were a danger to yourself and others.

    Instead, it's "A danger to yourself and others?? Here's your guns!! Enjoy!"
    What background file?

    How do you determine who should never be allowed to own firearms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What background file?

    How do you determine who should never be allowed to own firearms?
    You are aware that when you buy a gun, they have to do a point of sale National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

    When Judges and licensed therapists deem that you are dangerous and disturbed, I think that should be included in the System.

    People that have expressed explicit desire to harm others should not be allowed to own firearms.

    I guess you think the system is fine just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    You are aware that when you buy a gun, they have to do a point of sale National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).
    I've had to submit the form 6 times, so yes, I am aware.

    When Judges and licensed therapists deem that you are dangerous and disturbed, I think that should be included in the System.
    What kind of disturbed or dangerous qualifies? How crazy do you have to be?

    People that have expressed explicit desire to harm others should not be allowed to own firearms.
    So does that one time when you told your buddy that the world would be better off without that one asshole you don't like in it count?

    I guess you think the system is fine just the way it is.
    I think mental health services should get better at deeming, who is actually dangerous and who just needs a zoloft once a day.

    And I think those who pose the greatest danger to themselves and others should be remanded to institutional care the way they used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I've had to submit the form 6 times, so yes, I am aware.
    6 times? Wow, good for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What kind of disturbed or dangerous qualifies? How crazy do you have to be?
    I believe when therapists find an email with a manifesto claiming their patient is going to go on a murderous rampage, perhaps, and call me crazy here, that therapist should call the police. In fact, I believe they're required to, when death threats against others or themselves are mentioned. This brilliant therapist did not.

    "It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son's therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage."

    "Rodger's father, a Hollywood director, and his family say they warned cops about disturbing videos weeks before the shooting rampage their son committed near the University of California-Santa Barbara"

    Good job police! Though I'm not an LEO so I don't know if they flooded with these calls. Still, there was video blogs, and lots of other VERY disturbing evidence.

    As in the Virginia Tech Massacre, Seung-Hui Cho displayed numerous infractions, stalking co-eds, was warned by the police more than once. Teachers found disturbing stories about him killing others. Therapists thought he was dangerous and reported it to the police.

    Actually a report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    So does that one time when you told your buddy that the world would be better off without that one asshole you don't like in it count?
    Yes absolutely. If you ever say, "Man I hate that guy, he's such a douche, I hope he gets in car accident," you should definitely report that person to the police (sarcasm). Get real.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I think mental health services should get better at deeming, who is actually dangerous and who just needs a zoloft once a day. And I think those who pose the greatest danger to themselves and others should be remanded to institutional care the way they used to be.
    I agree with you there. Cho, and this kid, should have been placed in institutions, mandatory. Which WOULD have been on the (NICS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    6 times? Wow, good for you.



    I believe when therapists find an email with a manifesto claiming their patient is going to go on a murderous rampage, perhaps, and call me crazy here, that therapist should call the police. In fact, I believe they're required to, when death threats against others or themselves are mentioned. This brilliant therapist did not.

    "It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son's therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage."

    "Rodger's father, a Hollywood director, and his family say they warned cops about disturbing videos weeks before the shooting rampage their son committed near the University of California-Santa Barbara"

    Good job police! Though I'm not an LEO so I don't know if they flooded with these calls. Still, there was video blogs, and lots of other VERY disturbing evidence.

    As in the Virginia Tech Massacre, Seung-Hui Cho displayed numerous infractions, stalking co-eds, was warned by the police more than once. Teachers found disturbing stories about him killing others. Therapists thought he was dangerous and reported it to the police.

    Actually a report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."



    Yes absolutely. If you ever say, "Man I hate that guy, he's such a douche, I hope he gets in car accident," you should definitely report that person to the police (sarcasm). Get real.



    I agree with you there. Cho, and this kid, should have been placed in institutions, mandatory. Which WOULD have been on the (NICS).
    I'm fine with a check on all commercial sales. As far as private sales are concerned, I believe in being able to sell a gun to my friend over cash and a handshake. The same way I can sell a car to him. The same way I can sell anything that I own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I'm fine with a check on all commercial sales. As far as private sales are concerned, I believe in being able to sell a gun to my friend over cash and a handshake. The same way I can sell a car to him. The same way I can sell anything that I own.
    You'd be okay with private firearms sales being regulated like automobile sales, with every firearm having a title?
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