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    Default Same-Sex Marriage Ban Tossed in Pennsylvania (USA)

    The verdict is being appealed, of course.
    But that looks like the last state in the Northeast to switch over.

    This case is actually a little more interesting due to the history of the judge, John E. Jones III.

    He's the same guy who oversaw the Dover trial on Intelligent Design back in the 2005-2006 (?) and judged that ID was just an attempt to teach creationism under another name.

    Unless he's changed something in the meanwhile, he's also a Christian Republican by affiliation.

    Pennsylvania gay marriage ban overturned by judge - Yahoo News

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage was overturned by a federal judge Tuesday.

    U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III called the plaintiffs — a widow, 11 couples and one of the couples' two teenage daughters — courageous.

    "We now join the 12 federal district courts across the country which, when confronted with these inequities in their own states, have concluded that all couples deserve equal dignity in the realm of civil marriage," Jones wrote.

    An appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is likely. Gov. Tom Corbett's office had defended the law after Attorney General Kathleen Kane called it unconstitutional and refused to defend it.

    State marriage bans have been falling around the country since the U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    In all, 18 states give legal status to gay marriage. If Jones' decision stands, Pennsylvania would become the 19th and legalize gay marriage throughout the Northeast.
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    Yay!!

    I love when people look at gay marriage bans as unconstitutional and discriminatory...which they are, duh!!

    As a civil rights advocate I am astonished we are STILL having this debate in the U.S.
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    Good. This shouldn't even be an issue in 2014. (meaning, it's ridiculous some people still can't marry whomever they want to marry in the USA all because of a small minority of right wing fundamentalists imposing their own morals on society)

    I also think polygamy should be legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Unless he's changed something in the meanwhile, he's also a Christian Republican by affiliation.
    Naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    Good. This shouldn't even be an issue in 2014. (meaning, it's ridiculous some people still can't marry whomever they want to marry in the USA all because of a small minority of right wing fundamentalists imposing their own morals on society)

    I also think polygamy should be legal.
    Well, unfortunately it's not a 'small minority'. If my memory serves me right, 40-something percent of Americans still oppose gay marriage. Granted, a study recently came out indicating that Americans, even no-religious ones, tend to lie about how often they attend church. I think this shows how deeply religion, particularly Christianity, influences our culture for better or worse.

    EDIT: according to a 2014 poll, 34 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage.

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    @captain curmudgeon: Yeah, it varies based on the demographics and mechanism/wording of the survey; I've seen opposition to same-sex marriage still range from 42-52%.

    The thing is the bulk of opposition is in the Baby Boomers generation. People within the ages of 19-35 support same-sex marriage into the 62-65% range. And it keeps rising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    @captain curmudgeon: Yeah, it varies based on the demographics and mechanism/wording of the survey; I've seen opposition to same-sex marriage still range from 42-52%.

    The thing is the bulk of opposition is in the Baby Boomers generation. People within the ages of 19-35 support same-sex marriage into the 62-65% range. And it keeps rising.
    What scares me, though, is how 'married' (pun sort of intended) to the idea of getting senior citizens' votes a lot of politicians seem to be. What happens to political trends when a higher number of baby boomers hit retirement in several years could be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captain curmudgeon View Post
    Well, unfortunately it's not a 'small minority'. If my memory serves me right, 40-something percent of Americans still oppose gay marriage. Granted, a study recently came out indicating that Americans, even no-religious ones, tend to lie about how often they attend church. I think this shows how deeply religion, particularly Christianity, influences our culture for better or worse.

    EDIT: according to a 2014 poll, 34 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage.
    fuck them. they can build a massive time machine and go live in the 1950s. You should go with them immediately. Please. Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    fuck them. they can build a massive time machine and go live in the 1950s. You should go with them immediately. Please. Leave.
    Why would I want to go with them? 2014 isn't like 1954- times change for a reason.
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