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    California has one of the strictest Gun Regulations in U.S. California and its gun crime rate is about equal to Texas, which I believe have one of the more lenient gun laws. So it isn't because people have guns, but what people do with guns that is the deciding factor for these crimes. If one can (and I doubt they are willing to) fix that issue, there won't be a need to enforce gun laws.

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    I have said this before: the issues with guns and violence in the US will not be fixed by laws. It is a cultural problem, and one that can't be changed. If it can be, it won't until next century at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Numbers mean nothing themselves. It's how you value those numbers compared to other things.
    So if the argument is that you want to protect your family, but more accidental gun deaths, murders, and suicides are taking place as a result of guns in the home than are protecting families from home invasion robberies, etc that's not relevant.

    The government does not allow freedom of assembly in a meaningful way. The government does not allow us to be secure in our persons, etc. The government forced states to stay in the Union against their will. Cops are rarely successfully prosecuted for shooting unarmed people in their homes or on the street and the odds that a homeowner is not going to be prosecuted for shooting a cop who wrongfully busts down their door are extremely small, assuming they live long enough to be tried. We're not protecting ourselves from tyranny. We're deluding ourselves.

    Hunting guns aren't, I don't think, a huge part of our gun violence. Hunting benefits society, overall. Guns for killing people seem to do a lot of harm without fulfilling the purposes people say they are supposed to be fulfilling.

    That is why I consider it not rational. Maybe on a micro level it somehow is, but on a macro, utilitarian level, it's insane.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    California has one of the strictest Gun Regulations in U.S. California and its gun crime rate is about equal to Texas, which I believe have one of the more lenient gun laws. So it isn't because people have guns, but what people do with guns that is the deciding factor for these crimes. If one can (and I doubt they are willing to) fix that issue, there won't be a need to enforce gun laws.
    It looks like both are much higher than that of most developed countries. Gun laws, as we currently have them, are not effective. We have too many guns and there aren't exactly checkpoints between states. We need to reduce the total number of handguns and other guns whose primary purpose is to kill people.

    I think we should try buyback programs, like free healthcare for a year for every handgun turned in or free meals or music lessons or even shoes or iPads. I think it might save us money in the long run. Gun violence is often linked to poverty and the insured and taxpayers pay for indigent folks who are treated for gunshot wounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
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    Aussies prefer knives:



    As for Germans whining about American gun culture - HA! That's quite a sick joke for more than one reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Aussies prefer knives:

    As for Germans whining about American gun culture - HA! That's quite a sick joke for more than one reason.
    You know the saying, always bring a knife to a gun fight. I think. Mayhaps I should just switch to a samurai sword. As long as it's a Hattori Hanzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    To post pictures of gun shot wounds to the head, torso, arms or legs, particularly of children, is against the rules here.

    But to post pictures of gun pornography is not against the rules.

    This is called special pleading and is a sign of low moral development.

    The moderators won't allow pictures of the results of gunshot, yet they allow gunmen and women to revel in gun pornography.

    There is a very big disconnect here. This is a sign of lack of intellectual integrity.

    So I ask the moderators to raise the moral standard of Typology Central by making gun pornography against the rules.
    Please define exactly what you mean by "gun pornography" - in other words, what specific kinds of pictures you would prefer not to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    haha, I have a feeling I know what you mean.
    Well here's a little sampling of what I'm talking about:
    European arms, money fuel US gun addiction

    So not only does the Fatherland make a huge fortune selling guns to America, its firms even counts as among the biggest lobbyists against gun control in America. And Germany apparently is making more money off small arms exports than ever before.

    Yet this isn't even really new. Germany often promoted American gun culture several times before cause it served their interests.

    So yeah, maybe Germany should stop contributing to the problem if they're so concerned about American gun violence? Just a thought. More productive than making smug posts on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well here's a little sampling of what I'm talking about:
    European arms, money fuel US gun addiction

    So not only does the Fatherland make a huge fortune selling guns to America, its firms even counts as among the biggest lobbyists against gun control in America. And Germany apparently is making more money off small arms exports than ever before.

    Yet this isn't even really new. Germany often promoted American gun culture several times before cause it served their interests.

    So yeah, maybe Germany should stop contributing to the problem if they're so concerned about American gun violence? Just a thought. More productive than making smug posts on the internet.
    Another highly illuminating comment from @Peguy AKA Fievel Mousekewitz.

    I feel dumb for not making that connection. Just a few Primo quality German made handgun manufacturers:
    Walther Arms
    Heckler & Koch
    Sig Sauer
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    So if the argument is that you want to protect your family, but more accidental gun deaths, murders, and suicides are taking place as a result of guns in the home than are protecting families from home invasion robberies, etc that's not relevant.
    This is a silly argument as there is no reliable data for how much violence guns prevent though I can tell you from my observations the media does a piss-poor job of reporting when conceal carry folks save the day. Moreover, it presumes that the value of life is the only value considered when it comes to gun control.

    The government does not allow freedom of assembly in a meaningful way. The government does not allow us to be secure in our persons, etc. The government forced states to stay in the Union against their will. Cops are rarely successfully prosecuted for shooting unarmed people in their homes or on the street and the odds that a homeowner is not going to be prosecuted for shooting a cop who wrongfully busts down their door are extremely small, assuming they live long enough to be tried. We're not protecting ourselves from tyranny. We're deluding ourselves.
    Go ahead and roll over if you want to, but forgive me if I don't. Anyway, the idea that we already have some tyranny does not mean that taking away guns doesn't risk even more tyranny.

    That is why I consider it not rational. Maybe on a micro level it somehow is, but on a macro, utilitarian level, it's insane.
    Your argument fails for the reasons above. I don't know why you insist on maligning people who disagree with you. You can still be right without your opponents being insane and irrational.

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