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    Default Saudi activist sentenced to 10 years, 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam

    Saudi activist sentenced to 10 years, 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam

    "Badawi, a respected rights activist in Saudi Arabia, first got into legal hot water with the Saudi government after starting a liberal website and forum where users could discuss religion."

    "The judgment also included a 1 million riyal fine, which is equal to about $267,000."

    Do you agree with the sentence? 1,000 lashes? There's not going to be any skin left after that.

    If not, what should the international response be? This is a tough one for me because the Saudis are obviously wrong but I don't see much of a chance in them ever changing; if the Saudis do change the laws, that may anger the militants in the country, destabilizing it and possibly restricting the flow of oil to the world. Ideally, I'd want all muslim nations to protect religious minorities and women with a Bill of Rights, but that's not going to happen without a lot of violence like the sort we see in Egypt.
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    If we'd really care, we'd stop using their oil.

    EDIT: Also, I'd like to see a man who could deliver 1000 lashes. That is a lot, even for the whip wielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I'd want all muslim nations to protect religious minorities and women with a Bill of Rights
    Fifty-seven Islamic countries have publicly and openly rejected the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in favour of Sharia.

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    Sanctions wouldn't change their deeply ingrained religious views, and might easily be a recipe for more hatred. Disrespecting a sovereignty via invasion tends to do more harm than good to the people there (see Iraq, Afghanistan).

    Sometimes inaction is the most ethically efficient option. Friendly diplomacy (no threats) is worth a try though.

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    It's not the religion that's bad, I think - it's the way its followers have misinterpreted their holy scriptures over the years, picking and choosing verses that suit their own needs and forgetting the rest. There are a number of quotes regarding basic human rights and equality written in the Q'uran, that one could point out to the extremists to shut them up. For example, if an Islamic man commits adultery, he is subject to the same punishment as when a women commits adultery.

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    Do you think anyone is going to agree with the sentence here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    There are a number of quotes regarding basic human rights and equality written in the Q'uran, that one could point out to the extremists to shut them up. For example, if an Islamic man commits adultery, he is subject to the same punishment as when a women commits adultery.
    What punishment is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba
    If we'd really care, we'd stop using their oil.
    Would that help things? I think the oil money keeps the Saudi royals in power, but if they weren't in power, that void might be filled with even worse characters.

    Also, I'd like to see a man who could deliver 1000 lashes. That is a lot, even for the whip wielder.
    The UN should try to get all the muslim nations together to agree on a cap on lashes (10 lashes max) or face economic sanctions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy
    Sometimes inaction is the most ethically efficient option. Friendly diplomacy (no threats) is worth a try though.
    I wonder if any world leader is doing any pleading behind the scenes for more human rights.

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    Do you think anyone is going to agree with the sentence here?
    So no Saudi royals registered here? Darn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    What punishment is that?
    100 "mild" lashes. Still seems cruel and inhumane in my opinion, the punishments that are given - so maybe human rights don't apply. I stand corrected on this point.

    But punishment and reward are, in principle, equal for both genders. And in any case, in theory it's supposed to be extremely difficult for anyone to prove that a person has committed adultery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Do you think anyone is going to agree with the sentence here?
    I certainly hope not!
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