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    Quote Originally Posted by meanlittlechimp View Post
    So can you tell me more about this - socialism in schools - that we SHOULD be worried about, or was that comment a joke?
    We're not ready for socialism. Talk to me in 100 years. *yawn*

    Quote Originally Posted by meanlittlechimp View Post
    Well most people that actually have PHDs in climate related sciences seem to think there is something to worry about. I guess for those that have it all figured out, such as yourself, there is no need to worry.
    I've already argued against the evidence & support, and won't here, so assuming that's true: Let's talk to those PhD's in 10 years and see how worried they are. *yawn*

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    Again, how exactly is this socialist ideology taught in US public schools? Most people in public schools - are ready to defend America against the evil terrorist Muslims. They believe Saddam was threatening our way of life! They believed the Vietnamese were too, before we bombed the shit out of 'em.

    What socialist agenda is being pushed in our schools, that you guys are referring too?

    I would be impressed if the average US adult, could pick socialism out on a multiple choice test, let alone..... define what that word means, except as a scare tactic for all things evil. Do you guys really believe the average American is brainwashed by a leftist communist educational system - or suffer from some devious socialist brainwashing, that must be reversed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    We're not ready for socialism. Talk to me in 100 years. *yawn*
    I never said we were, I'm just trying to understand what you guys (and the esteemed Oregon Institute) are even talking about re: the socialist threat in public schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I think the idea is that many of the teachers in public school (at least while I was going) talk about socialism and "lower case c" communism in language and tones that could lead impressionable children to believe these things are good (though none of my socialism favoring teachers offered reason, they were simply stating their opinions).
    I get it, must be why George Bush was elected for two consecutive terms. The pervasive socialism in our schools... The US is one of the most right wing, aggressive, industrialized nations on earth (in terms of foreign policy). Are you claiming our educational system is pushing our impressionable students into the other direction politically? Because if they are, they are doing a crap job of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I've already argued against the evidence & support, and won't here, so assuming that's true: Let's talk to those PhD's in 10 years and see how worried they are. *yawn*
    So the scientists are going to come around to your astute analysis within a decade. After they catch up and figure out the things you intuitively know?

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    I have reason to believe that the sun is responsible for global warming.


    Here's an interesting tidbit: Global Warming to me, sounds like a prospect similar to God and Astrology.

    If it does happen, we can find enough evidence to support the idea that it's our fault (arrogant*). If it doesn't, there's enough evidence to support the idea that it was going to be our fault, but we reversed it just in time. It's a catch all. No fair.

    I recently heard on television that it's considered a 'crisis'.
    Uh... I don't know how many of you have been outside in the past few years, but I don't feel any warmer. Not even a little. And I fucking moved closer to the equator. Crisis my tits.

    The temperature going up a few degrees doesn't prove anything anyway.

    Don't bother me with any of the graphs and charts... I can manipulate numbers too. It's chaos theory guys. We'll never consider every factor, and even if we do, we're bound to stress importance on the wrong ones. There's just too goddamned many of them to know which ones will necessarily be more prevalent than the others, except the outstanding ones, but even those are still at the mercy of the microfactors.

    Now, I started this post off saying I suspected the sun to be the culprit of our heat 'problem'. Solar winds perpetually alter the magnetic aura of our planet. I'd wager that since the balancing point of greenhouse process depends on the same field, that it might be worth looking into.

    I'd predicted that might be a contributor nearly a year ago, and weeks (or months... I can't quite remember) later I came across an article in support of my idea.

    I'm not a trained physicist. I'm a 19 year old operating out of mere wikipedia and textooks, and even still, I was able to pick up on the potential hidden in the sun. I realize it's an easy thing to overlook, but come on guys, we can do better than this!



    *On arrogance.

    Historically, humans have proliferated theories speaking volumes to their self centered, narcissistic arrogance. Religion is a wonderful example of this. The Ancient Egyptians understood that there lived a force of numerous (cumulatively) omnipotent, and omniscient beings who manipulated the minutia of the workings of their lives, in their favor, for a price. If anything were to go awry, it was THE GOD'S decision.

    Here they had many gods who were clearly, to their speculation capable of creating and destroying worlds at a whim, and yet they chose to observe and punish this one.

    Along came Judaism and eventually christianity.
    Y'know the thing I noticed about them? The more god 'loves' his followers, the more people subscribe.

    Originally I thought it was a security issue people had, but when I realized that nearly all humans are shortsighted idiots who'd quicker renounce their religion, and again for a crum of bread if truly famished than become a martyr, it occurred to me that it was supreme arrogance (the last place to look for a reason to have religion) that dictated our metaphysical understanding.

    It's clearly the nature of humans to inject dominance, and even divinity onto onseself. Why else would a being with the power God has bother with anything that happened here on earth?

    From an evolutionary stand point, it makes sense. If we don't view ourselves as superior, we'll make no attempt to assert superiority, henceforth unleashing inevitable doom upon the individual. Obviously, a psychology like that would not survive, and the genes that might produce one were quickly weeded out.


    The assumption that we're powerful enough to destroy the entire planet is not an absurd one folks. We could physically destroy it. We've got the bombs.

    I do however submit to you that the very idea that simply in our daily lives, we could truly degrade and destroy every potential ecosystem beyond reparation. The thought comes more out of arrogance than out of fear.

    Imagine that: We're too strong for our own good. Further, we're too smart to destroy ourselves. Here we are, at the very brink of terra-armageddon brought on by ourselves, but we're innovative and clever enough to reverse these speculations. It's not just that we're an extremely potent lot -- we're also brilliant beyond individual comprehension: We can predict our own demise long before it happens and turn it around!

    Doesn't that sound a little biased? Maybe just a little?
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    ^^ yes.

    to make it brief, if global warming exists, its most likely brought unto us by the big bright sun. so, cant do anything about the sun now can we. if global warming is actually a result of our doing, well then good riddance. should teach people a lesson now should it not? so do not complain or act like you are worried. if we did it, we did it, now if indeed we are screwed, dont cry. its like if you hurt someone and you feel guilty. DONT HURT THEM IMBECILE. maybe then you would not feel guilty. so dont drive a car then cry about ruining the ozone and causing a global crisis (if there indeed is one. . im still looking for it).

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    I don't drive a car. I ride a bike and take a train. I am pro-Gore. We need 0-emissions transportation, if not to save the ozone or stop global warming, then because getting a face full of exhaust sucks like hell, and the bigger the vehicle, the worse.

    Not to mention so much of the Arab profits are from oil. If we could just get off the fossil fuels, we could sit and laugh at the evil little Arabs all day and they won't be able to do anything about it and their own nations will eventually implode.

    Especially pernicious is Iran that backs Hamas and Hizbullah.

    In short, there are plenty of reasons, from small to big to get the heck off fossil fuels

    1) Exhaust in your face/lungs=you just lost three weeks from your life expectancy.
    2) Evil Arabs (and most in power are--and probably most not in power to various extents.)
    3) Destruction of our over-arching ecosystem.

    Take a pick.
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    Wait... why does it matter?

    This is global warming thread. The economy selections have very little to do with the scientific ins and outs of climate change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Wait... why does it matter?

    This is global warming thread. The economy selections have very little to do with the scientific ins and outs of climate change.
    Nice dodge. It matters because we shouldn't let someone spout non-truths in a thread, if they can easily be shown to be untrue. A while back, teaching about global warming and teaching about "socialism" became conflated. Personally, I don't see the complete connection, although I can say with some authority that public schooling (and a lot of private schooling) fosters groupthink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Nice dodge.
    Oh how astute of you to notice. It's pretty becoming of me don't you think? Totally fits my character... :genericsmileyconveyingasenseofsuperiority:
    It matters because we shouldn't let someone spout non-truths in a thread, if they can easily be shown to be untrue.
    The LOLable part is, the part of his post I read, was not untrue. And he shouldn't have been posting it in this thread either. You said the whole post was a FAIL. You were incorrect hence my intervening.
    A while back, teaching about global warming and teaching about "socialism" became conflated. Personally, I don't see the complete connection, although I can say with some authority that public schooling (and a lot of private schooling) fosters groupthink.
    I wonder if that's the same as blaming a black person for bringing black storm clouds to an outdoor party.


    Edit: Hmm... the smily didn't work. I figured we'd have several of those ones.
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    Here's an interesting tidbit: Global Warming to me, sounds like a prospect similar to God and Astrology.

    If it does happen, we can find enough evidence to support the idea that it's our fault (arrogant*). If it doesn't, there's enough evidence to support the idea that it was going to be our fault, but we reversed it just in time. It's a catch all. No fair.
    To apply this the other way: If global warming does happen, it was natural, and people couldn't have done anything about it anyway. If it doesn't happen, obviously people can't have an effect. (Really ,you can use basic logic to show that making decisions from this thought process really doesn't work well.)

    Of course, the same applies to any complex issue (economics, gun control, etc.), where people do not have everything nailed down, and someone is perfectly capable of proving whichever position they want to by twisting the statistics the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    To apply this the other way: If global warming does happen, it was natural, and people couldn't have done anything about it anyway. If it doesn't happen, obviously people can't have an effect. (Really ,you can use basic logic to show that making decisions from this thought process really doesn't work well.)
    Sure, but this way we don't have faux guilt and wasted effort.

    Of course, the same applies to any complex issue (economics, gun control, etc.), where people do not have everything nailed down, and someone is perfectly capable of proving whichever position they want to by twisting the statistics the right way.
    And?
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