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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
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    While I agree on the issue of guns, I think it is not valid to think that liberals are the enemy. I used to think conservatives were the enemy, then took a more enlightened approach of peace and all that, and now I think both parties are being pitted against each other so we don't see who the real enemy is.
    When you finally come to the realization that government is the enemy.. and that it will result in a wrongful outcome regardless of who is at the controls.. your journey will be complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OWK View Post
    When you finally come to the realization that government is the enemy.. and that it will result in a wrongful outcome regardless of who is at the controls.. your journey will be complete.
    Ya know, I would tend to think that being a North Korean, then the government is the enemy. Or Syrian, Egyptian, or, you know, ACTUAL dictatorships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OWK View Post
    What does hunting have to do with the 2nd amendment?

    The people that wrote and originally ratified the 2nd amendment said that it was for assuring that people could defend themselves against government.
    Reread my post...it is related to the twisted progression of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment...both have been perverted from their original intent in regard to gun ownership.

    FYI: Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens believes the 2nd Amendment should be amended and five words added...

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/29/su...ond-amendment/
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    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by statuesquechica View Post
    Reread my post...it is related to the twisted progression of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment...both have been perverted from their original intent in regard to gun ownership.
    Right. And that original intent (as those who wrote and supported the documents instruct us) was for the citizens to be able to take up arms against the government, in defense of their liberty.

    FYI: Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens believes the 2nd Amendment should be amended and five words added...

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/29/su...ond-amendment/
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    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty, teeth, and the keystone under independence." George Washington

    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson
    Senator Rand Paul is alive because of modern medicine and because his attacker punches like a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Ya know, I would tend to think that being a North Korean, then the government is the enemy. Or Syrian, Egyptian, or, you know, ACTUAL dictatorships.
    I consider the initiation of force... or the practice of theft, to be immoral.

    All governments are promulgated by the initiation of force, and by theft.

    where they differ, it is only in degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrderOfTheCaelifera
    Then should I expect Diane will be turning in her .357 Rem Mag?
    Don't hold your breath. These people make laws and then exempt themselves from them.
    Senator Rand Paul is alive because of modern medicine and because his attacker punches like a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OWK View Post
    I consider the initiation of force... or the practice of theft, to be immoral.

    All governments are promulgated by the initiation of force, and by theft.

    where they differ, it is only in degree.
    What has the government stolen from you?
    I've had this ice cream bar, since I was a child!

    Each thought's completely warped
    I'm like a walkin', talkin', ouija board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    What has the government stolen from you?
    The government demands that I pay it money every day to fund whatever it chooses to do.

    I don't want them to take that money. And I don't want to fund most of the things that it does.

    If I fail to pay that money, the government will send men with guns to take it from me.

    If I protect myself and my property, they will kill me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    What has the government stolen from you?
    Taxes.

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