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    Two scathing reviews by scholars working with the IPCC show why the organization is hopelessly corrupted by politics

    Two scholars working on the IPCC Fifth Asessment Report (AR5) spill the beans on the politics behind the scenes.

    "Over the course of the two hours of the contact group deliberations, it became clear that the only way the assembled government representatives would approve text for SPM.5.2 was essentially to remove all “controversial” text (that is, text that was uncomfortable for any one individual government), which meant deleting almost 75% of the text, including nearly all explications and examples under the bolded headings. In more than one instance, specific examples or sentences were removed at the will of only one or two countries, because under IPCC rules, the dissent of one country is sufficient to grind the entire approval process to a halt unless and until that country can be appeased." Dr. Robert Stavins

    "In the earlier drafts of the SPM, there was a key message that was new, snappy and relevant: Many of the more worrying impacts of climate change really are symptoms of mismanagement and underdevelopment." Dr. Richard Tol

    "Alarmism feeds polarization. Climate zealots want to burn heretics of global warming on a stick. Others only see incompetence and conspiracy in climate research, and nepotism in climate policy. A polarized debate is not conducive to enlightened policy in an area as complex as climate change – although we only need a carbon tax, and a carbon tax only, that applies to all emissions and gradually and predictably rises over time. The IPCC missed an opportunity to restore itself as a sober authority, accepted (perhaps only grudgingly) by most." Dr. Richard Tol

    "The IPCC does not guard itself against selection bias and group think. Academics who worry about climate change are more likely to publish about it, and more likely to get into the IPCC. Groups of like-minded people reinforce their beliefs. The environment agencies that comment on the draft IPCC report will not argue that their department is obsolete. The IPCC should therefore be taken out of the hands of the climate bureaucracy and transferred to the academic authorities." Dr. Richard Tol

    The last quote is especially illuminating. Isn't this guy really saying that the climate change research community is engaging in unhealthy circle jerking and should be ignored until the politics are removed from the process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach;2283798The last quote is especially illuminating. Isn't this guy really saying that the climate change research community is engaging in unhealthy circle jerking and[B
    should be ignored[/B] until the politics are removed from the process?
    Ignore climate change research?? Hmmm, sounds like you might want to move to North Carolina where they have forbidden any further discussion about the rising sea level on their coastal developments because it "alarms" people. Nothing to see here folks...move along!

    What is unfortunate is that the tobacco industry had a huge hand in originally discrediting climate change research and scientists' concerns and that ignorance and belligerence to the data exists today.
    I've looked at life from both sides now
    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

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    Another scientist speaks out against the IPCC. Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology had this to say in her blog:

    "If, how, and why I had been duped by the IPCC became an issue of overwhelming personal and professional concern. I decided that there were two things that I could do: 1) speak out publicly and try to restore integrity to climate science by increasing transparency and engaging with skeptics; and 2) dig deeply into the broader aspects of the science and the IPCC’s arguments and try to assess the uncertainty."

    "Let me ask you this. So how are things going for you lately? A year ago, the climate establishment was on top of the world, masters of the universe. Now we have a situation where there have been major challenges to the reputations of a number of a number of scientists, the IPCC, professional societies, and other institutions of science. The spillover has been a loss of public trust in climate science and some have argued, even more broadly in science. The IPCC and the UNFCCC are regarded by many as impediments to sane and politically viable energy policies. "

    Heresy and the creation of monsters

    The hits keep on coming. This one from former NASA scientist, Les Woodcock (Emeritus Professor of Chemical Thermodynamics at the University of Manchester):

    ""The term 'climate change' is meaningless. The Earth's climate has been changing since time immemorial, that is since the Earth was formed 1,000 million years ago. The theory of 'man-made climate change' is an unsubstantiated hypothesis [about] our climate [which says it] has been adversely affected by the burning of fossil fuels in the last 100 years, causing the average temperature on the earth’s surface to increase very slightly but with disastrous environmental consequences.

    "The theory is that the CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuel is the 'greenhouse gas' causes 'global warming' - in fact, water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent."

    Former NASA Scientist: Global Warming is Nonsense
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    The very premise of the science behind global warming is challenged---this time by Andre Lofthus, a physicist with 40 years experience in aerospace and extensive knowledge of atmospheric physics.

    According to Lofthus, CO2 (carbon dioxide) absorbs infrared radiation from 1 to 15 microns. Back in the 1950s, we measured the absorption of infrared radation at those wavelengths for CO2 (up to 300 meters high) and the result was 100% absorption. In other words, even back in the 1950s, the atmosphere was already saturated with enough CO2 to absorb the entirety of the IR radiation from 1 to 15 microns. Increasing the concentration of CO2 won't give you additional absorption, since you can't go over 100% absorption. Good job, Mr. Lofthus.

    Global Warming and Settled Science
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    @DiscoBiscuit Interesting article. I don't think it'll be the US that leads the world in innovation though. India and China are both ahead of the US in developing thorium nuclear power plants. That is the best solution to the problem. Unfortunately, the lefties in the US refuse to consider anything other than windmills, solar power, and taxing carbon emissions.

    Unless the scientific community is perpetrating an unprecedented hoax, the existence of such a widespread consensus indicates at least a significant likelihood of a real danger, which presents policymakers with an actual risk deserving of serious consideration.
    There is a very real possibility that we are indeed witnessing a hoax perpetrated by radical lefties in the climate change scientific community.
    The original hockey stick paper is authored by Michael Mann, a guy who recently endorsed a candidate (Bill Fleming) in a Virginia House of Delegates race. Mann also refused to divulge the methods through which he arrived at the hockey stick graph. There's an entire book written about Mann's intransigence titled "The Hockey Stick Illusion".

    "The [Wall Street Journal (WSJ)]highlights what Regaldo and McIntyre say is Mann's resistance or outright refusal to provide to inquiring minds his data, all details of his statistical analysis, and his code. The WSJ's anecdotal treatment of the subject goes toward confirming what I've been hearing for years in climatology circles about not just Mann, but others collecting original climate data...
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