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    Default Early Feminism and Modern Misandry

    Isn't feminism just another form of collectivist prejudice in the same sense that racism is? Racists make sweeping generalizations about the allegedly malevolent intentions of people of different skin color, but don't the feminists do the same thing?

    Collectively, the white people have done a lot of harm to the blacks by colonizing their territories. You could argue that collectively, men have done the same to women over millennia.

    Yet in both cases, the harmful actions were not caused by any malevolent intentions. The Europeans were merely pursuing their self-interest by seeking to expand their empires and patriarchs did likewise by seeking to extend their personal power.

    In a lot of cases, both groups displayed callousness, myopia and even unimaginable ignorance. However, the vilification is simply unwarranted because a very small percentage of members of those groups were guided by intentions of inflicting harm upon those who suffered as a result of their actions.

    I think that this is the fundamental problem with feminism itself: it unduly ascribes sinister motives to actors of history who scarcely even considered the true outcomes of their actions.

    The pioneers of feminist thought such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Jane Austen endeavored to address the structural causes of gender inequity. They focused on institutional, economic, sociocultural and political aspects of the problem. By and large, the severest of problems of patriarchy have been resolved. That is evident in light of the fact that a significant percentage of prestigious professional positions are held by women.

    In the absence of the grossest of gender inequality problems, the modern feminists are left with little choice but to engage in crass misandry that is quite similar to the practices of racists. Both groups focus not on the fundamental causes of injustice, but on the imagined nefarious motives of groups that they regard as their adversaries.
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    @Nicodemus should be interested in discussing

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    1: I could care less about intentions.

    2: Actually, modern feminist study is still largely based on studying structure and not on claiming that all or most men have evil intentions.

    It would be amazing to discuss the cons of feminism with someone that has studied anything about it.
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    I made up a special word for self proclaimed 'feminists' who hate on men, claim that all men are the same, force men into shopping and watching chick flicks and use being a woman as an excuse to avoid responsibilities and gain privileges. It's called 'Frautists'.

    (Get it? An aggregation of 'Frau', which is German for 'woman', and 'autists'. I know many people like using the word 'feminazi', but that's just such a bad fucking pun.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It would be amazing to discuss the cons of feminism with someone that has studied anything about it.
    It would be, but you're never going to find an entire group of people willing to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Isn't feminism just another form of collectivist prejudice in the same sense that racism is? Racists make sweeping generalizations about the allegedly malevolent intentions of people of different skin color, but don't the feminists do the same thing?
    It's an interesting point you are bringing up here. I don't know a lot about this topic. What I do know is what I've seen here on the forum. There was a point in the fall of last year when the misogyny thread was going on, which was in my opinion highly polarizing between male and female members. There is nothing wrong with confronting issues and it seems there were good reasons for the topic coming up. However, it becomes a negative thing when people use a topic like this as an excuse to attack others. I almost left the forum during that period because I didn't want to be part of something where people were allowed to slander, lie about and viciously attack others. We ended up changing the rules to disallow those kinds of attacks and so I stayed.

    This reminds me of prejudice based on a person's type. We're supposed to use this stuff to try and understand each other. Forming prejudice based on type strikes me as a poor and destructive use of the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I'm a feminist. I love men!
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post

    It would be amazing to discuss the cons of feminism with someone that has studied anything about it.
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Same here.
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