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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I hate that shit. Hate it. Women who do that should go to jail. It's like beating someone who is tied up.
    Maybe more women should speak out against it instead of assuming the man did something to deserve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    But shouldn't a man like, grow a pair, and be like, "stop that" ?
    I can't imagine why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Maybe more women should speak out against it instead of assuming the man did something to deserve it.
    Most certainly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I can't imagine why.
    Mayhaps you can elaborate a smidge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    People think women are weaker...

    Unless women use hormones, I didn't think they could ever really be as naturally physically strong as a male.

    So I would think that means it's more patriarchal...

    Cause we're the naturally physically weaker sex.
    I wonder to what degree this double standard is based on the infantilization of women. People do tend to assume women are weaker, less threatening, more emotional, even hysterical. A woman hitting and yelling at a man appears much the same as a toddler kicking and screaming at his mom or dad because he doesn't want to leave the park. Just a temper tantrum which men (aka "grown-ups") must weather now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I wonder to what degree this double standard is based on the infantilization of women. People do tend to assume women are weaker, less threatening, more emotional, even hysterical. A woman hitting and yelling at a man appears much the same as a toddler kicking and screaming at his mom or dad because he doesn't want to leave the park. Just a temper tantrum which men (aka "grown-ups") must weather now and then.
    I think more of it has to do with the demonization of males. Too many people believed the men deserved it, without having any specific knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Mayhaps you can elaborate a smidge?
    It's not the person getting hit's job to stop the hitting. It's the person who is hitting's job not to hit people. The hitter doesn't get anything but in jail and/or dropped like a hot rock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    It's not the person getting hit's job to stop the hitting. It's the person who is hitting's job not to hit people. The hitter doesn't get anything but in jail and/or dropped like a hot rock.
    So when Russia annexes Crimea with plans of a possible takeover of all of the Ukraine, you're saying it's Russia's job to stop annexing countries? Ever heard of "fighting back"?
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    For the record, abusing your spouse in any way is harmful. That's why it's called abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Maybe more women should speak out against it instead of assuming the man did something to deserve it.
    I think a lot of women DO speak out against it... But those women are not likely to do things like slap their men, either. Many men speak out against abusing women quite openly.. And bad people will be bad no matter which gender they are.. and doormat people will be doormats regardless of gender...

    ... but there is this thick, cloudy context scrubbing that all up with men: men tend to not want to be defended by women in public. There is this social stigma there.. and I don't at all agree with it, but I don't deny that it is there. I've literally had men tell me to my face that they'd rather be beaten until an inch of their life was left than to have me jump into a fight to help them. That it's literally shameful. Now, that trend IS changing... and I think as stronger women are becoming more acceptable, it is becoming more common place to see (in UFC, gym-rat posts and pictures and videos, a change in what 'skinny and fit' is defined as, comedians openly admitting their girlfriends are more aggressive than they are, etc. etc.) and thus more situational things like "Yeah, I'm okay with a girl twat-blocking for me, and saving me from a potentially uncomfortable situation." are pretty common now..

    .. But with REAL abuse.. that stigma does loom still. How do you assist that sort of mentality? It isn't an uncommon one.. and it's an idea I struggle with a lot..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    It's not the person getting hit's job to stop the hitting. It's the person who is hitting's job not to hit people. The hitter doesn't get anything but in jail and/or dropped like a hot rock.
    So when Russia annexes Crimea with plans of a possible takeover of all of the Ukraine, you're saying it's Russia's job to stop annexing countries? Ever heard of "fighting back"?
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