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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Would a net carbon footprint of zero make you Jesus?
    Does not compute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    No it isn't.

    Any ideology is going to have people who misunderstand the points of it, take it too extreme, blindly accept some idea, or criticize others for not following an accepted path.

    Gender politics gives us various assumptions about how different genders should act, qualities they are "supposed" to have, critisisms for acting/representing a poor view of the gender, and more. We have various libertarians automatically thinking that government programs are bad and criticizing those who don't agree. Most viewpoints related to economics, education, immigration, etc., have some people picking a side, backing it up with some rationalization and/or fudged statistics, and calling others idiots/immoral/wrongheaded/etc. for not agreeing.

    If the viewpoints spawning these actions aren't considered religions, environmentalism isn't one either.
    I agree with Zergling.

    But the fact is that unscientific people are turning the entire thing into new religion and by doing that they are destroying environmentalism.
    That is because they are unable to grasp entire scientific truth which is complicated, plus mass media are lunching huge amount of bull just to have entertaining efect.

    So it is religion but it should not be religion.

    But for example people who have enough scientific knowledge about this topic that is their job are not religious about it.
    I would place myself in that group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    No it isn't.

    Any ideology is going to have people who misunderstand the points of it, take it too extreme, blindly accept some idea, or criticize others for not following an accepted path.

    Gender politics gives us various assumptions about how different genders should act, qualities they are "supposed" to have, critisisms for acting/representing a poor view of the gender, and more. We have various libertarians automatically thinking that government programs are bad and criticizing those who don't agree. Most viewpoints related to economics, education, immigration, etc., have some people picking a side, backing it up with some rationalization and/or fudged statistics, and calling others idiots/immoral/wrongheaded/etc. for not agreeing.

    If the viewpoints spawning these actions aren't considered religions, environmentalism isn't one either.
    If we take your assertions ad infinitum, then every strongly-held belief is a religion. I don't believe that to be true. The fringe end of the environmental movement (eco-terrorists, Earth-worshipers, and people who hate humankind) do have a quasi-mystical element to their thought patterns that is not the same as a libertarian or a socialist arguing for their political viewpoints. There is science to back up environmentalism, but not complete nutbars like that.
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    As for the OP, I hope not because I don't really want to be defined as an 'evangelical environmentalist'.

    On a side note, I love how one of the first thing the fruitcake leading the Tories did was to change his political party logo, to help stress the Tories new found 'green credentials'. I also love how he goes to work by bicycle, but he gets all his things took by car following him.

    I don't know about in the US but I know in the UK most people who call themselves environmentalist are mostly frauds; like David Cameron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
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    I think it is simply a political movement. It is not uncommon for people to become zealous about their political beliefs. I would only say Environmentalism is a religion if you'd say Libertarianism is one too.

    Now if you want to ask me about Environmental Science, then that is different. I took a college Environmental Science course and I would not consider what I learned to be science, since it had at least as much politics in it as science. With that much political motivation in a field I don't think it can be objective in the way that science should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I think it is simply a political movement. It is not uncommon for people to become zealous about their political beliefs. I would only say Environmentalism is a religion if you'd say Libertarianism is one too.

    Now if you want to ask me about Environmental Science, then that is different. I took a college Environmental Science course and I would not consider what I learned to be science, since it had at least as much politics in it as science. With that much political motivation in a field I don't think it can be objective in the way that science should be.
    I am really not getting the equation of libertarianism and the fringes of environmentalism. Like, at all. It has come up more than once in this thread, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Post your thoughts.
    I don't buy it. People are pushing hard to get things changed before we ruin the planet permenently for future generations. When you push that hard, emotions run high. You can't just label something a religion because people a fighting hard.

    I sometimes joke that I am a "scientist" who worships the lord Darwin, and that our savior, Einstein, will be resurrected as a clone in a Japanese laboratory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am really not getting the equation of libertarianism and the fringes of environmentalism. Like, at all. It has come up more than once in this thread, too.
    The fringes of libertarianism are being compared to the fringes of environmentalism, I would guess on the basis of both being fringes.

    I think the point was that people invest all sorts of reasonable causes and viewpoints with religious zeal, and the fringe doesn't have to reflect badly on the reasonable cause or viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    I don't buy it. People are pushing hard to get things changed before we ruin the planet permenently for future generations. When you push that hard, emotions run high. You can't just label something a religion because people a fighting hard.
    And Christians try to convert people before they die and spend an eternity in hell. I see a strong parallel. To assume that we're permanently ruining the planet is running on faith, belief without evidence.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Hundreds of years ago, the human race believed, through religion, that our negative acts would result in the end of civilisation.

    Nothing has changed.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

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