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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    I know you touched upon it in your blog, but what exactly is going down in Minnesota?
    A few days ago, I was grocery shopping in the produce section and there was a pregnant woman there with two children. Another woman walked up to her and told her, in a calm voice, that it was wrong to have another child, that she was killing the planet. I'm still having trouble believing that I actually saw that.

    I mention Minnesota because it's the first liberal state I've lived in. Missouri, Texas, and Florida (all the states where I've previously lived) are pretty conservative by comparison. I've seen more 'environmentalists' in my 5 months in Minnesota than I did in my other 30+ years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It causes me a fair amount of concern to see how many people doubt there are environmental crises hand...
    I see it as two very different issues. The turning of Greenism into a religion is a totally different topic from whether or not environmental concerns are valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Among my closest friends and family, not one is ridden with guilt and overcome with concern for the environment.

    I think that it's mainly just a media obsession/marketing ploy that will turn out to be be short-lived.

    It's just a trend.
    I agree it currently seems to be a media obsession, and it's now a catch word of sorts. Like, it's 'cool' and sophisticated to be environmental, or something.

    This bothers me, mostly because I'd say it's one of my highest values, and I've cared about all of it for a long time, before it crossed most peoples' radars. I'd say I care more about nature than people. To be truthful. I don't think it's a religion for me.

    But I can see why it seems like a religion for society at large now, when it's just the new phrase and everyone's just suddenly becoming environmentally conscious, when they maybe weren't before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It causes me a fair amount of concern to see how many people doubt there are environmental crises hand...
    You don't have to doubt that there are environmental crises happening to also believe some people are going about it in a completely crazy way. I'm very much an environmentalist and it makes me angry when people go about it with an unreasonable almost religious zeal, because it makes the rest of us look bad. (Come to think of it, that's kind of how I feel about my religion, too. Hmm.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I see it as two very different issues. The turning of Greenism into a religion is a totally different topic from whether or not environmental concerns are valid.
    I'm glad you addressed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cascademn View Post
    I agree it currently seems to be a media obsession, and it's now a catch word of sorts. Like, it's 'cool' and sophisticated to be environmental, or something.

    This bothers me, mostly because I'd say it's one of my highest values, and I've cared about all of it for a long time, before it crossed most peoples' radars. I'd say I care more about nature than people. To be truthful. I don't think it's a religion for me.

    But I can see why it seems like a religion for society at large now, when it's just the new phrase and everyone's just suddenly becoming environmentally conscious, when they maybe weren't before.
    Agreed 100%. I don't think the current environmentalism trend is doing a lot to help the, you know, environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    A few days ago, I was grocery shopping in the produce section and there was a pregnant woman there with two children. Another woman walked up to her and told her, in a calm voice, that it was wrong to have another child, that she was killing the planet. I'm still having trouble believing that I actually saw that.

    I mention Minnesota because it's the first liberal state I've lived in. Missouri, Texas, and Florida (all the states where I've previously lived) are pretty conservative by comparison.
    Yet another example of people wanting to identify themselves with the "right" group and to identify others with the "wrong" group so as to sleep better at night. In that occurrence, that woman was probably channeling her own general discontent into preachy environmentalism.

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    So many will cling on to any ideal to feel a part of things, people on the left will veer towards left wing causes and people on the right to right wing causes, but they take on pre-packaged thoughts and just take off with them with little consideration besides just running the pre-urped thoughts though their minds over and over and it's really scary to think about where that can ultimately lead. It's pretty ballsy to just walk up to a pregnant woman and berate her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    clear cutting
    Modern clear cutting is not the same as deforestation and does not hinder wildlife habitation.

    over fishing
    put that way, who on earth would say "I endorse 'over fishing'!"?

    strip mining
    yeah it has negative effects, so does every other sort of resource gathering. The biggest problem with environmentalists is the refusal to look at the existing options in terms of trade-offs. Instead they tend to overstate the benefits of their proposals, ignore the disadvantages and the facts, and label everything else as evil. How about a little objectivity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Yet another example of people wanting to identify themselves with the "right" group and to identify others with the "wrong" group so as to sleep better at night. In that occurrence, that woman was probably channeling her own general discontent into preachy environmentalism.
    I'd bet she was probably a little jealous that she didn't have any children of her own. She looked older than the woman with the 3 kids (who looked pretty young). But that doesn't explain it all. There are lots of jealous people out there, but they don't normally do things like that. It struck me as the action of a religious zealot. I've seen some Christians do similar things, but I guess I'm more used to seeing that because of where I grew up?

    Another example: I was walking down the sidewalk one day and someone comes up to me and asks "Do you have a minute for the environment?". My first reaction was "wtf?", but I didn't say that. Instead, I said "Sure, whatever". Then she started preaching to me. Go to the corner of Hennepin Ave and W Lake St in Minneapolis. You'll see 2-3 of them on corners of that intersection a few nights a week.
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