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    Default "Online bullying – a new and ugly sport for liberal commenters"

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ral-commenters

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    I've run into "check your privilege" crowds before. They're really annoying. And the attitude behind all of it is counter-productive, IMO. "Check your privilege" is all about silencing people, trying to make people uncomfortable expressing their opinion because of the color of their skin, which genitals they have, etc. What our society actually needs is more empathy, not self-appointed dialogue police who actually end up escalating hostilities rather than calming them.
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    This article is fantastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I've run into a "check your privilege" crowds before. They're really annoying. And the attitude behind all of it is counter-productive, IMO. "Check your privilege" is all about silencing people, trying to make people uncomfortable expressing their opinion because of the color of their skin, which genitals they have, etc. What our society actually needs is more empathy, not self-appointed dialogue police who actually end up escalating hostilities rather than calming them.
    It's people like this that make me not want to call myself a liberal, and I put a huge distance between them and I, and actually take quite a bit of delight of taking them down a peg when I can. The reason being is they're just like the social conservatives trying to restrict things. These folks are meerly the other side of the coin.

    It's ironically really, these type of liberals are doing to others what they themselves are trying to stop being done to them. Yet, they can't see it and refuse to see it. Nearly all of their arguments are coming from a lens of shaming and emotional pleading, not "equal rights" as they claim it to be. It's one thing to try and even the playing field a little to bring a proper level of fairness and opertunity, it's another to try and drag everyone down who you perceive as "above you" or more "well off" than you think. It so so so ticks me off. It's a big reason why I largely stay out of gay rights groups despite being a gay man. They attract a lot of these types of people and after a while I'll snap on them. But, since I'm in the minority they win by sheer noise level.

    I am mostly at issue with the gender equality movement crowd. A large portion of them are fine, and it's a movement that needs to happen. That said, some take it way too far. Recently, one of my most beloved bands, Planningtorock (Janine Jam Rostron) released a new album, and I can not listen to it. The sheer bluntness and radicalness of the message wrecks it for me. The whole purpose of the album is about gender equality. That's fine on the surface, her second album W was as well in some respects. However, she's gone from "equal rights" to "if you subscribe to any gender roll at all you have to stop, you must have no label". She changed her name (legally) from Janine, to Jam for this reason. Some push so hard to just delete the word gender all together and shame anyone who dares to use any label at all. I was somewhat vocal about my views on this recently to a group online that really likes the band, and they all went after me saying I was the problem. I'm sorry, I like being a man?

    Do what you want, don't force others to be what you want. This goes both ways, and many radical liberals are becoming the exact thing they faught. The article completely nails it with this early on:

    The sad truth is that when it comes to the motivations behind this kind of commenting, it's basically the same as the GOD HATES FAGS guys – even though the values are the polar opposite.
    In truth, these kinds of liberals makes me more mad then those trying to turn back the clock on rights.
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    the worst part is, they're bullying AND playing victim simultaneously. that's like taking alcohol and valium at the same time.

    I've said it before, what I dislike about liberals is not so much their views (I would say I actually agree with more than 60% of them), it's them that's the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    What our society actually needs is more empathy, not self-appointed dialogue police who actually end up escalating hostilities rather than calming them.
    Totally agree with this. When I see people who are arguing for 'my side' who are behaving badly, I cringe in shame.
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    "Online bullying – a new and ugly sport for liberal commenters"
    It's not a "new" sport at all.

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    As far as I can tell, the entire liberal element is essentially pointless. It's not like this behavior is unique to liberals or even more common among them. Once you remove that element, the discussion becomes interchangeable with a discussion about mod rules and forum etiquette right here. Much of the same pleas for good behavior, much of the same questions about when rude behavior is justified or if there are some people with whom being civil is pointless.
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    Is that person like 60 or something?
    New sport my ass.

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    Nothing new here. It's an Alinsky tactic to silence those who disagree with you. You also see similar behavior on college campuses with hordes of rabid college students shouting down conservative speakers so they can't even speak. See, there really is no rational defense of leftist ideology so the only strategy is to ignore or to attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    This article is fantastic.



    It's people like this that make me not want to call myself a liberal, and I put a huge distance between them and I, and actually take quite a bit of delight of taking them down a peg when I can. The reason being is they're just like the social conservatives trying to restrict things. These folks are meerly the other side of the coin.

    It's ironically really, these type of liberals are doing to others what they themselves are trying to stop being done to them. Yet, they can't see it and refuse to see it. Nearly all of their arguments are coming from a lens of shaming and emotional pleading, not "equal rights" as they claim it to be. It's one thing to try and even the playing field a little to bring a proper level of fairness and opertunity, it's another to try and drag everyone down who you perceive as "above you" or more "well off" than you think. It so so so ticks me off. It's a big reason why I largely stay out of gay rights groups despite being a gay man. They attract a lot of these types of people and after a while I'll snap on them. But, since I'm in the minority they win by sheer noise level.

    I am mostly at issue with the gender equality movement crowd. A large portion of them are fine, and it's a movement that needs to happen. That said, some take it way too far. Recently, one of my most beloved bands, Planningtorock (Janine Jam Rostron) released a new album, and I can not listen to it. The sheer bluntness and radicalness of the message wrecks it for me. The whole purpose of the album is about gender equality. That's fine on the surface, her second album W was as well in some respects. However, she's gone from "equal rights" to "if you subscribe to any gender roll at all you have to stop, you must have no label". She changed her name (legally) from Janine, to Jam for this reason. Some push so hard to just delete the word gender all together and shame anyone who dares to use any label at all. I was somewhat vocal about my views on this recently to a group online that really likes the band, and they all went after me saying I was the problem. I'm sorry, I like being a man?

    Do what you want, don't force others to be what you want. This goes both ways, and many radical liberals are becoming the exact thing they faught. The article completely nails it with this early on:



    In truth, these kinds of liberals makes me more mad then those trying to turn back the clock on rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I've run into "check your privilege" crowds before. They're really annoying. And the attitude behind all of it is counter-productive, IMO. "Check your privilege" is all about silencing people, trying to make people uncomfortable expressing their opinion because of the color of their skin, which genitals they have, etc. What our society actually needs is more empathy, not self-appointed dialogue police who actually end up escalating hostilities rather than calming them.



    Couldn't have said it better.

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