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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Personally I'm going into healthcare as a career, so hopefully in a few years I'll be in a position to be a professional advocate and facilitator of sex education, safe havens, and adoption. But I'm also not trying to dictate others' options. I just feel like if pro-lifers want to restrict others' possible courses of action, they need to put their time, energy, and money into the "allowable" options to make them realistic and healthy for the women they're seeking to impact. And abstinence education has been proven over and over to be ineffective, so I mean funding and supporting strategies that actually create positive change. In a perfect world, abortion wouldn't exist at all short of in dire medical emergencies, and I don't think it's bad to have its eradication as a goal. But I do think we need to work our way there, not just enforce it as an idealistic leap while thousands of women and children suffer the consequences of it being implemented without patience, awareness, and realism.
    Yea I see your point. Before I read the responses from people in this thread I wasn't aware about the whole poverty side of things. Someone mentioned before, that a lot of pro lifers do come from better backgrounds so they can't relate to the messed up dysfunctional environment that leads to alot of these unwanted pregnancies.There's truth to that I think we first need to fix the problem of poverty and dysfunction and then enforce the illegalization of abortion. I agree that in certain situations bringing a child in to the world would not be easy for both the mom and the child. But is it fair to deny the child a chance? It isnt . which is why making sure that everyone can afford to raise a child and setting up proper financial and adoption programs will fix the the problem and everyone will win. But the bottom line is, no child should be denied a chance at life. Many great leaders came from terrible backgrounds and overcame it. Unfortunately, even more continued the cycle of dysfunction. What we should all focus on is breaking that cycle.

    And good luck with your healthcare gig.

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    @Nihilogen your comment is trivial. If you want to talk about irrelevant shit like sociology then go start your own thread that no one will post on. Bye.

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    @cafe I've thought long and hard and have come to the conclusion that its all about Walmart these days. Who are you if you don't shop there like I don't even know

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    Quote Originally Posted by NK258 View Post
    It's so extreme and about someone they never have to deal with.
    Are you referring to the mother or the child?

    And as side note, pretty much all legislation impacts people you never have to deal with.

    Pro-life threads are always so strange to me. Like, how can someone possibly try to defend that position for pages and pages and pages? it makes no logical sense and is fairly immoral in my subjective opinion. always weird when I see this topic.
    Are you saying that you think abortion is so obviously wonderful you can't understand why someone would be against it? I'm guessing that's not quite how you mean it, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by NK258 View Post
    I think I'm a reasonable rational person.
    Almost all people would say that about themselves regardless of who they are, where they are, or what they believe.

    I just haven't the greater understanding how making abortion illegal in all circumstances is at all a logical let alone rational choice.
    In my experience, almost all pro-life people are okay with abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger due to complications. Denying the mother an abortion and getting her killed as a result wouldn't really be pro-life.
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    Strange as it may sound, Ozones has convinced me. I now believe that we should outlaw abortions in order to foster behavioral responsibility in the populace. In the same vein, I now believe we should prohibit the consumption and production of alcohol and the use of other drugs. Even former Treasurer of Atlantic County, Enoch Thompson, supports the new legislation, saying: "We expect great changes, an overall improvement in civil morality. It will be a huge success." Experts predict that, should the proposed bills be signed into law, we will soon see rape and irresponsible driving made illegal as well.

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    What a fucking gong show

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    so i was thinking the anti abortion people, do you think they're actually outlawing abortions and making it harder to get one, because they plan to build an army using unwanted children? I mean it makes sense, like the U.S. is turning into a shit hole, and the anti-abortion people realize that they're losing the general public, and so they're probably all like. well I'll build an army! but where to get the soldiers? I know we'll make abortions illegal and since the parents won't want them they'll put them into foster care and raise them to be soldiers. and we'll one day over throw this country and sale it to china and live off the spoils. Of course we'll need supporters, let's convince fundamental christians that the bible says all these things are wrong that would actually move the country forward. Oh but what if we can't manipulate scripture to say that? oh we'll just call it socialism.And the minions we'll think they're making the country a better place, but we'll squash them like the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    I think you're reading my mind.
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    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    ... In my experience, almost all pro-life people are okay with abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger due to complications. Denying the mother an abortion and getting her killed as a result wouldn't really be pro-life.
    I'm not sure who is running the public dialogue then, since I hear more and more extreme views popping up all the time.

    The other issue -- that allowance seems to be a total "hedge" of the value. If we're going to be this rigorous on a fetus being a human life, then let's not become squeamish and make allowances. If the fetus is a baby, then you're still killing a baby to supposedly "save the life of the mother." Why all of a sudden are human beings intruding where they are believing God has already made a decision? If God wanted the mother's life to be saved and is in control of the situation, then he wouldn't have allowed her to become pregnant in the first place OR he had a reason for allowing her to become pregnant.

    To summarize, iif there is an issue with the pregnancy, it seems the more consistent response would be to let things proceed as normal and let God make the decision of whether the mother, baby, or both die... but why is it okay to kill a human baby to possibly save the mother's life (when God might have saved the mother or both) if it's wrong at any other time? You're still murdering a baby, by the "fetus = life" argument. Why are people suddenly wimping out and saying (tacitly) that the mother's life is more important?

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    It's interesting, because being taught in our society that killing is wrong no matter what. We let serial killers live which is worse then killing them, because if we simply kill them more people would be saved. at the same time keeping them alive would help population control, the point being that killing isn't always wrong just wrong most of the time.
    In no likes experiment.

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