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    Who needs it? If you have the right and freedom to believe and behave as you see fit (as long as you do not actively harm another while doing so), why do you need religious freedom? How are religious beliefs and acts different from other human beliefs and acts?

    I say, let us get rid of religious freedom. Let us have liberty instead!

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    Wasn't it historically born to prevent inquisition-type stuff from happening again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Wasn't it historically born to prevent inquisition-type stuff from happening again?
    Historically... The world has changed. My thread takes place in the present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Historically... The world has changed. My thread takes place in the present.
    Oh, for sure. But I guess it is a matter of evaluating if those same reasons still hold true today.
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    That is what the thread is for. My (obvious) position: They do not.

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    It was just a byproduct of seperating church from state. The official reason for religious freedom in a liberal democracy, is to prevent the tyranny of the majority, and to not allow any religion to monopolize the state. Other than... it doesn't do more than sound good. Informal majorty culture, really is what defines the parameters of religious freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    That is what the thread is for. My (obvious) position: They do not.
    Oh. I'm sorry, I guess I figured you'd build an argument to supports your position, to kickstart the discussion, which is what I was trying to prompt with my post - to show that the original reasons (or some modern equivalent of it) no longer exist.
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    As long as people don't force their beliefs upon others (and don't base the law on it), I'm happy.
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    We don't need it in the US, but Christians are demanding it because they are losing the culture war. They're used to being ubiquitous in American society and the fact that, today, some people don't share their beliefs scares them.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    As long as people don't force their beliefs upon others (and don't base the law on it), I'm happy.
    That raises an interesting point which is often overlooked: They invariably do. Despite the separation of state and church, you will always have a union of religion and politics, because people are religious and people make politics. People will believe certain things. There is no way around that. All we can do in a democracy is to make sure we use the best (read: most agreeable, reasonable, effective, etc.) reasons to make our decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Oh. I'm sorry, I guess I figured you'd build an argument to supports your position, to kickstart the discussion, which is what I was trying to prompt with my post - to show that the original reasons (or some modern equivalent of it) no longer exist.
    I built a logical argument: Freedom to think and do what you like includes the freedom to think religious thoughts and perform religious acts. With certain legal limitations, the former should be a given in a modern democracy.

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