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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    If that's the case, where do you draw the line? So giving a sick child given medicine is contravening God's will. Is throwing a life preserver to a drowning person contravening God's will? Is performing the Heimlich maneuver?
    No. Then it comes down to each of us to figure it out. It is a complex issue for sure.

    For me, I go by the conscience God gave/gives me at the time. This usually means I have sought/would seek medical care if necessary.

    I do think there is something to be said for allowing God's will to run its course, as in the days before modern medicine and immunizations. We might not have the overcrowding and starvation and some of the issues we have today. It's hard to know how things would be different. We assume they are better, but perhaps they are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Pshaw. My guy doesn't care if I wipe.

    In fact, he'd prolly like it better if I didn't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    God understands that our brain and our heart can and will get us into trouble. That is why He gives His Law as a guidebook to use.

    As I said, there is nothing in the Law about disallowing God's will to take it's natural course. In fact there are instances in 'letting God's will be done,' as is stated in the Lord's Prayer.

    I guess that is likely hard for modern man to understand since man has been convincing himself he is 'in charge' for a long time now.
    If that was true God wouldn't have given you a brain or a heart

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    This thread topic brings to mind:



    Presuming to know God's will. The ultimate fail.

    We have resources. Resources the Christian God's creation-- if we were to follow that line of reasoning-- us, mankind-- created for healing. The fact that we could learn that, develop that.. why couldn't that be deemed a miracle to the more spiritual? I'm not even religious and I see how amazingly far we've come. To disregard that -- and let someone (especially a helpless kid) suffer & die due to archaic interpretations of religious text--- is an act of evil, by any sane moral standard, to me.
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    They really ought to go after the people teaching this stuff, too, IMO. It's just about the same as hate speech in terms of outcome. It needs to be hard for people preaching this kind of thing to insure their churches. They may not heed common sense or basic logic, but by God, they will heed their insurance agents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
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    Well, if you can't use condoms, birth control pills and IUDs and abortions, some people might get creative. Postnatal birth control, especially for morbidly religious folks. Yay!

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    I guess I just can't understand why they aren't grateful to live in a time where you don't have to have a dozen kids to be sure a few survive to adulthood. I can't understand why, when I would almost certainly kill to keep one of my children alive, they balk at something as simple as taking a kid to the doctor. How can these things not be blessings to thank God for? There are parents, who, even with all the technology and knowledge we have today cannot keep their kids alive. They would give anything for it to just take an antibiotic and breathing treatments, etc. And they have no choice but to sit and watch their child die before their eyes. But these people have it in their power to save their children and they just sit and watch them die anyway. I was grateful for vaccinations, but I cried sometimes when my kids received them because they were in pain and they didn't understand. How can you just sit and watch your child die and do nothing? I will never understand it and if I believed God required it I'd become an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I guess I just can't understand why they aren't grateful to live in a time where you don't have to have a dozen kids to be sure a few survive to adulthood. I can't understand why, when I would almost certainly kill to keep one of my children alive, they balk at something as simple as taking a kid to the doctor. How can these things not be blessings to thank God for? There are parents, who, even with all the technology and knowledge we have today cannot keep their kids alive. They would give anything for it to just take an antibiotic and breathing treatments, etc. And they have no choice but to sit and watch their child die before their eyes. But these people have it in their power to save their children and they just sit and watch them die anyway. I was grateful for vaccinations, but I cried sometimes when my kids received them because they were in pain and they didn't understand. How can you just sit and watch your child die and do nothing? I will never understand it and if I believed God required it I'd become an atheist.
    You could also start believing in a different God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    You could also start believing in a different God.
    True.
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